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[08:18:33] <circeavalon> sueastside, I'm so tired...
[08:23:50] <circeavalon> and your going to be late to class anyways
[08:40:01] <circeavalon> I can't do it, my eyes are killing me
[08:40:12] <circeavalon> I love you goodnight :(
[08:44:32] <circeavalon> still here but barely
[08:50:59] <Easton> this is gonna make me cry
[09:21:40] <circeavalon> no tears Easton|sleepz
[09:35:33] * circeavalon pokes sueastside
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[10:04:40] <sueastside> somebody shoot me
[10:07:23] <thebolt> why?
[10:13:22] <sueastside> musquitos ate me alive!
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[12:13:47] <sueastside> hey brankom
[12:26:06] <brankom> sueastside: Yo
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[12:40:25] <Tucos> \o
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[14:52:41] <thebolt> hi indy
[14:53:31] <Tucos> hey Induane
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[15:10:07] <Induane> heya!!
[15:10:09] <Induane> <3
[15:10:13] <Induane> DoctorXanadu: !
[15:10:15] <Induane> thebolt: !
[15:10:17] <Induane> Tucos: !
[15:10:19] <Induane> <3 <3 <3
[15:10:23] <Induane> ITS THE WHOLE GANG!
[15:10:25] <Induane> well mostly
[15:10:29] <Induane> :)
[15:10:33] <Induane> how is everyone?
[15:10:35] <Tucos> o.O
[15:10:38] <Tucos> fine
[15:10:59] <thebolt> poor :P
[15:11:20] <thebolt> and out of coffee (we ran out at work..)
[15:11:21] <sueastside> I'm super thanks for asking, please shoot me in the head and i'll be ok!
[15:16:03] <thebolt> sueastside: you almost seem a bit negative today, anything we can do to cheer you up?
[15:16:15] <sueastside> "Meanwhile, sales teams were still selling funky OptiPlex machines, which during that period had a 97 percent failure rate according to Dell's own study."
[15:17:29] <sueastside> thebolt: you could tell me why i need to do -isect.z :P
[15:19:30] * brankom shoots sueastside in the head
[15:19:35] <brankom> The _main_ head
[15:19:56] <sueastside> brankom: __main__
[15:19:57] <brankom> iSect by iApple
[15:20:50] <Induane> sueastside: you mean the gx270?
[15:20:57] <Induane> I think their failure rate is eventually 100%
[15:21:17] <Induane> I've never seen one that worked that didn't look like it was on its way out
[15:21:23] <Induane> swollen caps galore
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[15:25:15] <sueastside> Induane: dunno, just read a snippet on engadget
[15:26:07] <Tucos> backups are annoying
[15:26:38] <sueastside> yeah :/ and large media is expensive :/
[15:26:52] <Tucos> large is relative, but 1.5tb is pretty cheap :p
[15:26:59] <Tucos> but they're just annoying to handle
[15:27:14] <sueastside> where are those 100TB holodisks they promised us 10 years ago?
[15:27:22] <Tucos> i want to reinstall my homeserver, but theres 2 backups on it, one from 1gb and one from 140gb :S
[15:27:29] <Induane> they make more money if they increment more slowly
[15:27:39] <Induane> using old tech as long as they can where manufacturing is cheap
[15:27:57] <sueastside> BR is just releasing 128gb, which needs new burners :s
[15:28:18] <Tucos> i prefer hd's over optical media
[15:28:33] <Tucos> burned 6 discs yesterday, stupid things
[15:28:41] <sueastside> Tucos: you cant really archive harddisks, well you can but....
[15:29:03] <Tucos> sueastside: i like sata's hot swappable goodness :)
[15:29:35] <Tucos> so, yeah, if i'd archive stuff, i'd do it on a harddisk :D
[15:29:38] <thebolt> nothing really beats magnetic tapes for backup though
[15:30:53] <sueastside> ha! http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/30/apple-hiring-iphone-antenna-engineers-for-some-reason/
[15:31:51] <Tucos> sad thing is the comments a probably very true wrt iphone 5 :p
[15:32:17] <Induane> I like the few uber fanboys who claim there are no antenna issues at all
[15:32:40] <thebolt> and Jobs work-around :P
[15:32:46] <Tucos> tapestreamers are expensive :O
[15:32:49] <Tucos> thebolt: lol :D
[15:32:53] <sueastside> Induane: i like those idiots that try every kind of snake oil to fix it
[15:33:56] <sueastside> i would have so returned it and gotten my money back in a second
[15:34:12] <sueastside> not that i would ever by something from apple
[15:35:01] <Induane> I'd buy an ipad for a gift as I think lots of people would just find it a great present
[15:35:13] <Induane> but I'll use ciscos tablet based on android myself if I want one
[15:35:16] <sueastside> Induane: get them a joojoo
[15:36:46] <Induane> whats atht?
[15:36:50] <sueastside> or a 100bucks iphone 4 http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/29/keepin-it-real-fake-air-phone-no-4-out-kirfs-the-kirfs-with-f/ :P
[15:36:57] <Induane> I just mean that for most people they just like apple shit
[15:37:12] <Induane> like - like it or not they are good at marketing and if people wnat the "in" thing then its the thing to get them
[15:37:48] <sueastside> https://thejoojoo.com/
[15:39:09] <Induane> knockoff iphone?
[15:39:46] <sueastside> no joojoo is a tablet, the 'air phone no 4' is the iphone knockoff
[15:50:09] <Induane> gotcah
[15:50:17] <Induane> didn't have time but to skim it really quick
[15:50:36] <Induane> This guy I did a pickup for at UUG has an Iphone3
[15:50:39] <Induane> with android on it
[15:50:57] <Induane> I didn't even know it was possible
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[17:03:45] <Induane> wow
[17:03:48] <Induane> got quiet all the sudden
[17:03:54] <Tucos> RAWROAWROAWRAR
[17:04:51] <brankom> Off o/
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[17:10:21] <Induane> Thanks!
[17:10:23] <Induane> :D
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[17:13:41] <Tucos> so...
[17:13:43] <Tucos> i'm bored :O
[17:15:04] <Induane> so
[17:15:07] <Induane> Make art!
[17:15:10] <Induane> code!
[17:15:12] <Induane> <3 ,3
[17:15:28] <Induane> Boredom is best alleviated by working on PT I've found. Perfect cure!
[17:16:17] <Tucos> give me something i can do then :P
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[17:20:10] <Induane> what are you best at?
[17:20:16] <Induane> :D
[17:20:22] <Induane> I'm more of an architecture guy myself
[17:21:36] <Tucos> i'm "best" at php/mysql/js/css/xhtml/c# :p ; i suck at art/c++/prollyawholelotmore :p
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[17:23:14] <Induane> Out of Art 2d/3d code C++, python, xml which are you best at?
[17:23:17] <Induane> :D
[17:23:46] <Tucos> xml, also know some python (sort of learning that :p)
[17:24:45] <Induane> yea me too - I was going to say you could look at the interface
[17:24:49] <Induane> its defined in xml
[17:25:03] <Induane> if you have any neat things you think could be done with cegui
[17:25:06] <Induane> you could look at whats there
[17:25:15] <Induane> and then maybe do something cool from that
[17:25:19] <Induane> ack brb
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[17:36:10] <Tucos> \o azaghal
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[17:38:05] <Induane> ok back!
[17:38:17] <Induane> have to ask azaghal too - how the client is doing at the moment
[17:38:24] <Induane> he's been doing all kinds of awesomeness near as I can tell
[17:40:20] <Tucos> i dont like azaghal >.>
[17:40:44] <Induane> But he's azaghal!
[17:40:46] <Induane> Whats not to like!
[17:40:52] <Tucos> the azaghal part
[17:41:12] <Induane> He smells funny sure, and like most people with a conscious he isn't a fan of Apple products...
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[17:58:25] <Tucos> so .. another great example set by the people of peragro tempus on how to manage a project and how to put people to work \o/
[18:00:49] <Easton|sleepz> [11:24] <@Induane> yea me too - I was going to say you could look at the interface
[18:00:49] <Easton|sleepz> [11:24] <@Induane> its defined in xml
[18:00:49] <Easton|sleepz> [11:24] <@Induane> if you have any neat things you think could be done with cegui
[18:00:49] <Easton|sleepz> [11:24] <@Induane> you could look at whats there
[18:00:49] <Easton|sleepz> [11:25] <@Induane> and then maybe do something cool from that
[18:00:52] <Easton|sleepz> take some initiative
[18:10:09] <Tucos> _how_ am i supposed to take initiative?
[18:10:19] <Tucos> it's pretty hard to do something when you don't have anything .. :s
[18:10:39] <Tucos> i can take a look at the interface of my irc client (which i've already done), but thats not going to help peragro a lot
[18:25:27] <sueastside> Tucos: you can turn that 'anything' into 'something' with svn co ...
[18:26:59] <needle> get a beer and a remote Tucos watch some football
[18:27:31] <sueastside> Tucos: asset client's gui (xml cegui), assets server's webinterface (js + a bit of python), the economy/trading thing you working on, ...
[18:28:52] <sueastside> needle: for you i still have to figure out those linking errors this weekend
[18:30:01] <needle> all right sue
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[18:47:48] <Induane> Tucos: I'd just do an svn checkout of the code
[18:47:53] <Induane> try see how it builds
[18:48:01] <Induane> once you get it running then more dev work can start
[18:48:05] <Induane> have we merged in newentity yet?
[18:53:48] * circeavalon pokes sueastside
[18:55:05] * Induane POKES circeavalon
[18:55:22] <Easton|writez> fuckin hippies with their free poking...
[18:55:27] <Induane> it happens
[18:55:32] <Induane> SHARE THE LOVE MAN
[18:55:32] * circeavalon pokes Induane
[18:55:39] * Induane pokes circeavalons pm
[18:56:09] * Easton|writez throws latex gloves at Induane and circeavalon
[18:56:25] <circeavalon> free pokes
[18:57:01] * Induane shares the love
[18:57:10] <Induane> Easton it doesen't feel as good with gloves on
[18:57:26] <Easton|writez> might help you last longer though
[18:58:56] <Induane> true
[18:59:04] <Induane> but I don't worry about that much
[18:59:20] <Induane> By the time I'm there I've usually share the love in other ways first
[18:59:22] <circeavalon> well i'm gonna get ice cream..screw up guys!
[18:59:31] * circeavalon leaves
[19:00:19] <circeavalon> you*
[19:02:12] <Easton|writez> aww.. i already screwed up
[19:12:53] <Induane> oh no
[19:12:56] <Induane> way to goo easton!
[19:12:58] <Induane> err go
[19:13:02] <Induane> not goo
[19:13:50] <Easton|writez> but i already goo'd!
[19:13:57] <Easton|writez> damn your life-altering typos!
[19:14:45] <Induane> Its hard to go back from Gooing
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[19:29:07] <Tucos> sueastside, Induane: should i just checkout the whole svn repo? sueastside: the economy/trading thing is done as far as was possible back then as the formule wasn't entirely right
[19:35:49] <Induane> yea the code repo
[19:35:58] <Induane> not necessarily the art source repo unless you wanted to do that
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[19:47:17] <azaghal> Yo
[19:48:54] <Tucos> Oy
[20:08:05] <Induane> Yoyo
[20:15:47] <sueastside> circeavalon: i want icecream!
[20:16:30] <sueastside> Tucos: assetserver, assetclient, b2.5cs, componenttest, network, are the interesting ones at the moment
[20:17:38] <Tucos> aight, can't do shit about b2.5cs and network, dunno what componenttest is
[20:19:06] <sueastside> b2.5cs is an assetserver dep, so i just mentioned it
[20:26:06] <Induane> waht is the componenttest?
[20:26:31] <sueastside> Induane: the new new entity branch
[20:27:21] <Induane> ahhhhh
[20:27:33] <Induane> is there a cleaner way of doing stuff like this: http://dpaste.com/213301/ ?
[20:27:36] <Induane> seems dumb
[20:27:46] <Induane> but i need that status to change anytime someone sends a certificate
[20:28:01] <Induane> any way I can help with the assetclient or anything?
[20:28:05] <Induane> or is it probably all beyond me?
[20:29:57] <sueastside> Induane: how does one send a certificate?
[20:30:23] <Induane> they click a button labeled send which is just a link to a different view
[20:30:39] <Induane> that view says stuff like - a certificate has been sent to Fred at the email address: blah@blah.com
[20:31:03] <Induane> there is code in that view to create the email, create the certificate, attach it, send it, then render that page
[20:31:19] <Induane> well actually I have a sendemail method that the view calls... but whatever
[20:31:31] <sueastside> Induane: certificate is another django object?
[20:32:11] <Induane> the certificate is created using a django template and view
[20:32:15] <Induane> but thats just to make the html
[20:32:22] <Induane> you never actually see that view
[20:32:33] <Induane> but the mail code does - it uses that page to create a pdf file
[20:33:08] <Induane> http://dpaste.com/213304/
[20:33:11] <Induane> thats teh whole view
[20:33:17] <Induane> I mean it all works fine
[20:33:20] <Induane> no issues
[20:33:32] <Induane> but it seemed like three lines to modify a single database field seemed a bit dumbyish
[20:36:25] <Induane> need to remove my old "learning django" views
[20:36:27] <Induane> haha
[20:38:26] <sueastside> Induane: unless you're doing stuff like this everywhere i wouldn't bother, else you could overwrite the objects save function to take parms and do something like v.save(status='completed') or do something like def GetAndUpdate(class, id, **kwargs): o = class.objects.filter(id=id) \n for field in kwargs: \n\t setatt(o, field, kwargs[field]) \n o.save()
[20:39:11] <Induane> Thus far its the only place I need to do this
[20:39:16] <Induane> just seemed like overkill
[20:39:19] <Induane> for one change
[20:39:20] <sueastside> GetAndUpdate(Order, 1, {'status':'completed', })
[20:39:36] <sueastside> *setattr
[20:44:10] <Induane> kwargs is a way of sending multiple arguments to a single method right?
[20:44:21] <Induane> (haven't used it yet but I was trying to figure out wtf it was the other day)
[20:46:04] <Tucos> iirc it's indeed the do-wtf-you-want-here thing :)
[20:46:45] <sueastside> Induane: it basicly compiles a dict of the arguments, it allows you to do stuff like named params, MyFunction(value, anarg=value, myarg=value1) and then your function definition def MyFunction(arg, **kwargs): print arg \n print kwargs
[20:47:35] <Induane> somehow that went woosh
[20:47:37] <sueastside> kwargs being a dict containing the keys anarg and myarg
[20:47:45] <Induane> maybe its because I took off the noise canceling headphones
[20:48:09] <sueastside> Induane: make a little python file and try it, you'll go 'ah ha!'
[20:48:37] <Induane> I would but I am really nor sure I can even make a working example from what you just said lol
[20:48:41] <Induane> well not lol
[20:48:43] <Induane> more like :(
[20:49:26] <sueastside> Induane: exactly like "def MyFunction(arg, **kwargs): print arg \n print kwargs"
[20:50:55] <Tucos> http://codepad.org/DQQFwgvo \o/
[20:51:22] <sueastside> good Tucos :)
[20:51:59] <sueastside> Tucos: now make a function Sum that takes an undefined number of numbers and prints the sum :)
[20:52:22] <Tucos> sueastside: pfft ... that might take me a while
[20:52:25] <Tucos> let's see
[20:52:59] <sueastside> Tucos: instead of **kwargs, do *args, thats puts the arguments in an array
[20:53:43] <Induane> ahh so kwargs allows you to accept a whole bunch of arguments in one variable and it not really be limited
[20:54:49] <Induane> or accept a dictionary of arguments/
[20:54:51] <Induane> ?
[20:54:56] <sueastside> Induane: or optional arguments
[20:55:24] <Induane> how is that different for something like def blah(arg, dict i)
[20:55:28] <Induane> or whatever
[20:55:33] <Induane> however you declare an empty dictionary with a given name
[20:55:50] <Tucos> that wasn't too hard, if i'd only set it to Python instead of C at the start xD http://codepad.org/KgSollqD
[20:58:35] <sueastside> Induane: named arguments, but you can pass a dict as a 'list' of named arguments by expanding it with ** like http://codepad.org/uGmN26ga
[20:59:41] <sueastside> Induane: you mean def blah(arg, i={}) ? thats a optional argument with a default
[21:00:04] <Induane> optional with default?
[21:00:58] <sueastside> Induane: you can call blah(1) or blah(1, {'j':2}) i being empty dict in the first case
[21:03:04] <Induane> how do I know its optional?
[21:03:16] <Induane> because I declared it?
[21:04:17] <sueastside> Induane: well it has a default value for one of its arguments, if it was defined as def blah(arg, i) you'd have to call it with 2 arguments
[21:04:30] <Tucos> the function definition says it's optional
[21:06:01] <Induane> I see
[21:06:06] <Induane> that makes sense
[21:06:13] <Induane> default value is nothing so its ok not to use it
[21:06:40] <Induane> whereas if it had no value it would be necessary to give it one
[21:06:41] <sueastside> Induane: ?
[21:07:09] <Induane> it has a default value even if that default value isn't anything... is what I meant. By not giving it a default value - even of nothing, you make it a requirement
[21:07:27] <sueastside> doesnt have to be nothing, it can be def blah(i, a='default')
[21:08:30] <sueastside> the default value is something, {} is 'an empty dict' not nothing
[21:09:17] <Induane> well thats why I meant - empty
[21:09:31] <Induane> I guess I associate the two words even if they are different in a coding sense
[21:09:48] <sueastside> Induane: it doesnt have to be empty either :)
[21:09:58] <Induane> Well I assumed as much
[21:10:18] <Induane> could be a="True" and then you could set it to false like for verbosity or something you've defined
[21:10:21] <Induane> can override the default
[21:10:48] <sueastside> right
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[21:22:43] <azaghal> Phew
[21:22:47] <azaghal> Running session done :)
[21:24:49] <Induane> good job!
[21:39:55] <needle> http://peragro.org/node/53 yay
[21:40:22] <sueastside> Induane: are the girls with you?
[21:40:42] <azaghal> GIRLS?! WHAT GIRLS?!
[21:40:50] <sueastside> needle: its been on the site for weeks!
[21:41:01] <sueastside> azaghal: 3 and 4 year olds you perv
[21:41:45] <azaghal> Pfft
[21:42:17] <Induane> sueastside: yes
[21:42:20] <Induane> well they are at the house
[21:42:23] <Induane> I'm working
[21:42:51] <sueastside> Induane: i know that! just wondering what circe is taking so long with the icecream
[21:43:02] <Induane> Well she bakes it
[21:43:05] <Induane> and fries
[21:43:07] <Induane> it
[21:43:09] <Induane> and uses the
[21:43:11] <Induane> enter key
[21:43:13] <Induane> profusely
[21:43:32] <sueastside> no, thats just you
[21:44:55] <sueastside> i still need to tell her i want BBQ, CPP, Mt dew and your grilled cheese sandwhiches for dinner on sunday when i arrive
[21:45:52] <sueastside> you know, pig out, before we start loosing those 20p
[21:46:52] <Induane> cpp?
[21:46:53] <Induane> deal
[21:46:58] <Induane> my grilled cheese sandwhiches are legendary
[21:47:01] <sueastside> chicken pot pie
[21:47:03] <Induane> kerri doesn't understand
[21:47:09] <circeavalon> no ccp
[21:47:10] <Induane> she claims no one can really make making them an artform
[21:47:12] <sueastside> kerri is silly
[21:47:31] <Induane> that mine can't be that much improved over the standard grilled cheese sandwhich
[21:47:38] <circeavalon> and i wish that you would check your texts sueastside
[21:47:39] <Induane> Because she doesn't understand their wonder
[21:47:50] <Induane> the temperature of the cooking, the necessity to flip it like 10 times
[21:48:02] <Easton> mmm
[21:48:03] <Induane> the way I butter
[21:48:07] <Induane> its magic
[21:48:12] <Induane> PURE MAGIC
[21:48:19] <Induane> what is ccp?
[21:48:19] <Easton> baby, you can make me a grilled cheese any day
[21:48:31] <Induane> Come on out! we'll have a grilled cheese fest
[21:48:37] <Easton> kinky
[21:49:15] <circeavalon> sueastside, can't make that stuff cause i don't have money and I guess what I like to cook is too expensive to make so no one will get the groceries
[21:50:42] <Induane> you never make me a list!
[21:51:14] <sueastside> Induane: you never take the list with you
[21:52:02] <Induane> But it IS the case sometimes where you cook such an elaborate meal that half the fridge and cupboard vanishes... its like seeing a banquet from 1830 with all the varrious side dishes and the like
[21:52:30] <sueastside> yeah she does overdo it sometimes
[21:53:31] <Induane> Its super cool
[21:53:37] <Induane> but my grocery budget is more like 300 amonth
[22:05:55] <circeavalon> Induane, I do,kerri tells me that the stuff I want is too expensive
[22:06:47] <circeavalon> I do admit I like to make things that I have never made an are complicated sometimes, but I like to experiment
[22:07:36] <circeavalon> pork shoulder is just as expensive as roast beef
[22:07:50] <Induane> we have roast beef?
[22:08:06] <circeavalon> we have roast occassionally
[22:08:08] <Induane> ohh
[22:08:11] <Induane> yea
[22:08:22] <circeavalon> and have we had pork shoulder? no
[22:08:35] <Induane> thats all true - the question is which things do we swap out for other things
[22:08:49] <Induane> we're usually right at budget, getting something requires removing something
[22:08:55] <circeavalon> we don't have to, just make differnet things all the time
[22:08:59] <Induane> so when we make the list its helpful to know where the tradeoffs are
[22:09:10] <Induane> well for instance I don't know what pork shoulders run
[22:09:14] <Induane> I don't know hwat can be switched
[22:09:29] <circeavalon> yes, that is why making decisions on what we are going to make is important
[22:09:30] <Induane> I'm not against expirementing but I am against wild expirementation where we get totally different things every time
[22:09:39] <sueastside> well azaghal runs and is kinda porky
[22:09:51] <Induane> true we could harpoon him
[22:09:58] <Induane> but by the time we get over there he won't be porky anymore :(
[22:10:40] <circeavalon> and we always have spaghetti, bbq and chicken breast...It is fucking boring. but I ask to pick something else up and it is always ditched
[22:10:49] <circeavalon> ALWAYS
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[22:10:58] <Induane> there are things I like that I know I like and I like knowing that most of the time I'll enjoy dinner, I don't expect to constantly but I do like to come home and eat foods I already enjoy -
[22:11:08] <Induane> I know you're all big on try this new thing and all
[22:11:18] <Induane> but a routine is sorta comforting in ways too
[22:11:22] <Induane> it doesn't mean its all bad
[22:12:01] <circeavalon> no, but it's always the same. comfort is one thing but being in a rut is different
[22:12:44] <Induane> for instance the pork steaks were a bust for me, just wasn't a fan. Could have been that cut, don't know, but was kinda ... meh. Not that I was against trying it but rather that if I'm coming home and I haven't eaten or I haven't eaten since 11 am and all I had at work was a bowl of crappy ramen which I eat so we can spend more on groceries for home, I want to eat something I like
[22:13:25] <circeavalon> yeah, well I didn't want to make them either but Kerri said she didn't know how to cook them
[22:13:37] <circeavalon> she bought them for you to grill
[22:14:44] <circeavalon> you want your dinners to be dependable that is fine, I'll just eat something new and exciting elsewhere
[22:14:56] <Induane> What we eat with at least some frequency: pot roast, bbq chicken, lemon chicken, chicken strips homemade, whole chicken, hamburgers, spaghetti with and without meat sauce, chilli, corn, green beans, occasionally lima beans, lasagna, chicken with some kind of noodles,
[22:14:58] <Induane> chicken patties in white sauce of some kind, various noodle/sauce dishes not mentioned....
[22:15:00] <Induane> its not exactly a rut
[22:15:07] <Induane> other stuff gets mixed in
[22:15:11] <Induane> on occasion
[22:15:21] <Induane> or when you get a wild idea bout mixing x y and z and make something new with what we have
[22:15:21] <circeavalon> that is like 10 things.
[22:15:51] <Induane> thats 19
[22:16:05] <Induane> give or take a few sides
[22:16:12] <Induane> point is I can easily go a week or two without repeating a dinner
[22:16:19] <Induane> and it doesn't feel like a rut to me
[22:16:38] <circeavalon> ALL THE TIME...WE HAVE THAT EVERYDAY, and for almost two years.. it's FUCKING boring
[22:16:43] <sueastside> 18x the same thing a year
[22:17:00] <Induane> we don't only eat those - those are the common repeats
[22:17:24] <Induane> plus sandwhiches from various lunchmeat
[22:17:26] <circeavalon> yeah but when I get to cook it's always the same things we always make
[22:17:33] <sueastside> 36 times lasagne
[22:17:38] <circeavalon> cause that is all we have
[22:17:42] <Induane> and you have to understand that thats many times more variety than I ate growing up already
[22:17:56] <Induane> sueastside: I'd be happy with 36 lasagna dishes
[22:18:02] <Induane> the way they make it now fausta style
[22:18:10] <circeavalon> well I was raised having LOTS of different things, not 19
[22:18:11] <Induane> Its delicious
[22:18:17] <sueastside> Induane: you only ate cheeseburger without the cheese when you grew up :P
[22:18:42] <Induane> if you want some expirement budget or something I'm cool with it, we just have to sit down and figure it out
[22:18:51] <Induane> sueastside: and I had hotdogs plain
[22:18:55] <Induane> and cereal
[22:19:02] <Induane> and I was the healthies I have probably ever been in my life
[22:19:21] <Induane> low cholesteral, low blood pressure, never ever got sick
[22:19:23] <circeavalon> right well I don't grocery shopping so it always gets canned at the store
[22:19:24] <Induane> light
[22:20:05] <Induane> I don't can anything - and we usually just grab the stuff in order as we see it until we run out of money as I calculate it
[22:20:10] <Induane> then we go checkout
[22:20:11] <circeavalon> nevermind it doesn't matter, cause nothing I ever bring up isn't worth talking about.
[22:20:18] <Induane> there is no concerted leave out briannas list stuff
[22:20:53] <Chieftain> boobs
[22:20:59] <Induane> See you always feel like that - and you're always completely wrong. I know everyone on the planet is prone to hyperbole from time to time but its like thats your only manner of speaking.
[22:21:06] <circeavalon> yeah lots of things get left out, but I get to ass to the list last so of course it never makes it into the cart
[22:21:23] <Induane> every situation explained is a reason to seek out breathless superlatives
[22:21:26] <Induane> you always feel in black in white
[22:22:19] <Induane> Sentences containing always and never are almost never factual; excluding this sentence as utilising those words was necessary to put forth the statement.
[22:22:28] <circeavalon> YEs I am always completely wrong. so why did I even bring it up. huh, nevermind
[22:22:39] <Chieftain> :p
[22:22:42] <Induane> see! I way overused hyperbole on purpose!
[22:22:46] <Induane> Please tell me you caught that
[22:23:10] <Induane> ALways, Completely, Never, nothing
[22:23:10] <circeavalon> whenever I have a concern I feel that is it put down and then everyone tells me how wrong I am
[22:23:27] <Chieftain> You guys are completely wrong. I am utterly right. You could never understand how entirely wrong you all are. While I, on the other hand, have never once forgotten how apparently correct I am in almost every conceivable way.
[22:23:39] <Chieftain> I just felt like adding that :p
[22:23:46] <Induane> Pot calling the kettle black. We're a household of opinionated people. Kerri, yourself, and I
[22:24:00] <Induane> None of us are ever wrong
[22:24:13] <circeavalon> I am wrong often
[22:24:17] <thebolt> you are all wrong :P
[22:24:21] <Induane> hahahah
[22:24:25] <Induane> circeavalon we all are secretly
[22:24:28] <Induane> but none of us ever in the moment
[22:24:49] <Induane> I try not to engage in that sort of exchange anyways
[22:24:56] <circeavalon> but my feelings may have no logic but they are still my feelings and shouldn't be belittles
[22:25:00] <circeavalon> d*
[22:25:03] <Induane> And honestly looking at the grocery list I have no clue which things are or aren't from you
[22:25:17] <Induane> You belittle others feelings about your feelings!
[22:25:19] <circeavalon> yeah cause it shouldn't matter
[22:25:48] <Induane> we just stroll down the isle - oop I see something - *grab* *checks off list*
[22:25:52] <circeavalon> sorry, they are still my feelings. and I would rather voice them then everyone wonder why I'm pissed off
[22:26:11] <thebolt> circeavalon: i have learned one good way to get what you watn.. buy it yourself or at least be there when things are bought..
[22:26:11] <Induane> the trouble is I never know whether you are actually mad about what you are mad about at the moment
[22:26:25] <circeavalon> if it hurts someone elses feelings then I'm sorry, but I still feel that way
[22:27:08] <circeavalon> Induane, you have feelings about when kerri goes out and you tell her, it hurts her but it's better to tell her how you feel then to not
[22:27:56] <Induane> 99% of the time someone accidentally using your toothbrush would have been comical or at least HEY! but only under the rarest of circumstances it results in a 7 text tyrade about respecting others items and how you can't afford to replace things like that... I understood later why you were edgy, but I was too caught upi in why on earth a toothbrush accident was such a big deal because thats what you were expressing other
[22:27:58] <Induane> things through
[22:28:35] <Tucos> o.O
[22:28:42] <sueastside> Tucos: dont ask
[22:28:48] <circeavalon> yeah well when all these little things pile up it's busts out because of the last straw theroy
[22:28:55] <Tucos> sueastside: i wasn't planning to
[22:28:57] <Induane> I can't tell sometimes which things are things you are really upset about or whether its something you are
[22:28:59] <Induane> expressing due to some other thing thats hurting you.
[22:29:33] <Induane> As for grocery shopping you can always come - little cramped but we can do it
[22:29:51] <Induane> so long as it isn't just a fight about which things get priority in the cart
[22:30:10] <circeavalon> no, the last few times you left when I was gone or you had me watch the girls while you left
[22:30:12] <Induane> I'm just the guy with the calculator
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[22:30:32] <Induane> We asked if you would
[22:30:38] <Induane> you never said youd prefer to come along
[22:30:45] <Induane> heck I would rather stay home with the girls
[22:30:47] <circeavalon> nevermind, this is a stupid argument about groceries
[22:30:48] <Induane> if you and kerri want to go
[22:31:00] <Deepa> aaw, Baldur is not here now :(
[22:31:07] <circeavalon> I am just pissed off about a lot of things
[22:31:48] <circeavalon> this is only one of them
[22:32:04] <Deepa> Do what I do, be bitter about it
[22:32:06] <Deepa> Always works for me
[22:32:14] <Induane> There is a solution to everything so long as everyone doesn't look totally black and white at things, or isn't willing to make concessions
[22:32:17] <Induane> it just requires level heads to prevail. I think generally speaking the truth is never as extreme to one side or the other the way people of high
[22:32:19] <Induane> opinion take things to be.
[22:32:21] <circeavalon> yeah, it only makes me depressed
[22:32:22] Tucos has parted: "What. The. Fuck."
[22:33:17] <circeavalon> yeah well all my issues are little they just keep mounting and I feel like if I tallk about them then it will result in a fight
[22:33:28] <circeavalon> so it's not worth it
[22:33:46] <circeavalon> I'll just figure something out
[22:36:50] <Deepa> I get to be bitter and sour all friday
[22:36:58] <circeavalon> yeah
[22:37:01] <Induane> I don't mind fights so long as they aren't about stupid things that aren't worth fighting about :) With you and kerri though you have a tendency to wait until
[22:37:02] <circeavalon> sounds great
[22:37:03] <Induane> you're already upset and so even when you aren't really trying to bring up something in a negative way you come across as extremely condescending
[22:37:05] <Induane> and mad right from the get go, and since you're both defensive people naturally, this jumps kerri into uber defensive mode - and then you react to defensiveness with
[22:37:06] <Deepa> It'll be
[22:37:07] <Induane> defensiveness. When oyu are all in defensive mode neither of you will make a single concession, admission of wrongness, (except to prove the point that you can admit
[22:37:09] <Induane> that you are wrong). Then nothing gets done.
[22:37:10] <Deepa> I'll be in a group of 4 people
[22:37:11] <Induane> Why all friday?
[22:37:18] <Deepa> There'll be one of those I can talk normally with
[22:37:29] <Induane> why is that?
[22:37:38] <circeavalon> I can admit that I am wrong
[22:37:45] <Deepa> The other 2 are a little... strange when it comes to thinking
[22:37:53] <Deepa> And I'm sure I wouldn't be able to hold a conversation with myself for long
[22:37:55] <circeavalon> I am wrong that I can admit that I am wrong too
[22:38:42] <Induane> Not when you're in defensive mode
[22:38:47] <Induane> Then the worlds black and white
[22:38:51] <Deepa> I've heard someone shout "ADMITTING DEFEAT MEANS YOU ARE WEAK" in a conversation
[22:39:04] <azaghal> Fucking's not boring, for the record.
[22:39:09] <Induane> That is a good conversation... people like that can't be reasoned with at all.
[22:39:19] <Induane> azaghal: point well taken and conceeded
[22:39:30] <thebolt> Induane: oh yes they can,.. just takes a bit more persuasive methods ;)
[22:39:46] <thebolt> Induane: aka kick their ass and then ask who's right :P
[22:39:53] <Deepa> Well conversation in defense, we both lost it
[22:39:57] <Deepa> The person wore blue socks
[22:40:09] <azaghal> I say cook the waffle when he comes over!
[22:40:10] <azaghal> Currently listening to: Kansas - Carry On Wayward Son
[22:41:07] <Deepa> Oh btw
[22:41:15] <Deepa> I'm <> that close to a full-rewrite of DPHS
[22:41:17] <azaghal> You just had a fight over what to have for dinner?
[22:41:29] <Induane> circeavalon the trouble is that by the time you bring something up you're emotional about it and other things. And when you are highly emotional then its all about feelings and
[22:41:31] <Induane> not about reason. I an't do that kind of discussion because I tend to try to reason my way through things and not feel. But a feelings vs nonfeelinglogic discussion is useless. Any
[22:41:32] <Deepa> I'm an Engineer in the works, I eat everything
[22:41:33] <Induane> counterpoint feels like an attack - like I'm saying "you shouldn't feel like that" when obviously I can't say taht because you obviously DO feel like that.
[22:42:15] <Induane> azaghal: no, over whether a repertoir of 20 or so general meals is a rut that we have to get out of because she is accustomed to a larger variety of meals than say I am. . I'm comfortable with
[22:42:19] <circeavalon> [3:31:34 PM] sueastside: now im not following...
[22:42:19] <circeavalon> [3:34:32 PM] circeavalon: it's ok, there are just too many things
[22:42:19] <circeavalon> [3:35:04 PM] circeavalon: and when my feelings are hurt I get freaking unreasonable
[22:42:19] <circeavalon> [3:35:47 PM] circeavalon: I just feel like that nothing I do matters, I can say something and it's like I waste my breath
[22:42:19] <circeavalon> [3:36:28 PM] circeavalon: and that is why I get unreasonable cause i feel that it matters
[22:42:21] <Induane> the general number, she wishes for mor
[22:42:34] <thebolt> Deepa: me too :P
[22:42:42] <Deepa> thebolt: it's awesome isn't it :D?
[22:42:44] <thebolt> Induane: i'd say 20 things is a bit on the low side long-term ;)
[22:42:47] <Induane> its ALL awesome!
[22:42:59] <Induane> thebolt: probably true - but then again we've only been at this for like a year
[22:43:12] <Induane> talk to me in 20 - I'll tell you if I'm bored of awesome lasagna
[22:43:16] <thebolt> Deepa: yea, although after long periods (like 8 months last year having same lunch 5 days a week) it gets a bit boring ;)
[22:43:24] <Deepa> heh
[22:43:32] <Deepa> Well, do you know what we got to thank for being able to do this?
[22:43:41] <Induane> the internet?
[22:43:45] <Deepa> Nope.
[22:43:46] <Deepa> Lego.
[22:43:48] <Induane> Or the industrial revolution?
[22:43:51] <Deepa> It's the first step towards becoming an Engineer
[22:44:11] <Induane> circeavalon: I'm not saying things have no merit merely that discussing them when you are irrational and emotional isn't really going to make anything better ever
[22:44:22] <thebolt> Deepa: true that :)
[22:44:34] <Induane> I could just always conceed and bow to how you're feeling at the time but I have lots of things to balance when it comes to making budget decisions
[22:44:54] <Induane> and I can't just do so to make any one person just feel better
[22:45:21] <circeavalon> you could start with " I am certain that your reasons for feeling like that have some merit" than say whatever your point is after that
[22:45:26] <thebolt> Induane: try to balance my budget.. income 0, cost of living above 0 ;-)
[22:45:47] <thebolt> now thats a tough one for you :P
[22:47:02] <Induane> for instance for me right now I have to ask the question: are we eating terribly unhealthy? Is the variety of food sufficient to grow into healthy adults ? Is the food we are eating harming us in some way? What is the cost
[22:47:03] <Induane> vs benefit of say adding 30 dollars to the food budget and swapping a few things out. Is the trouble worth the cost both in terms of hassle and in terms of money?
[22:47:05] <Deepa> black market value of liver: $800
[22:47:07] <Induane> thebolt: become a hooker
[22:47:09] <Deepa> done.
[22:47:15] <Deepa> err
[22:47:16] <Deepa> kidney*
[22:47:34] <Induane> Deepa: liver too - its the one organ that regenerates itself so you can donate half a healthy liver many times over
[22:47:39] <Induane> whereas a kidney is a one time thing
[22:48:01] <Deepa> Kidneys fetch a much higher price though
[22:48:09] <Deepa> I think it's like $300 for half a liver
[22:48:21] <azaghal> circeavalon: It's not like you give-up on arguments either :P
[22:48:57] <Deepa> Wow, it can recover from 25%
[22:49:20] <azaghal> Deepa: One should not be afraid of redesigning the whole code.
[22:49:24] <Induane> pretty amazing huh?
[22:49:27] <azaghal> Besides, even PT is getting redesigned etc.
[22:49:33] <Deepa> I'm sure that's why the market price is so low
[22:49:37] <circeavalon> azaghal, didn't know that you knew me that well
[22:49:45] <Deepa> azaghal: it's also a nice way of saying "oops. lost the source"
[22:51:16] <azaghal> circeavalon: I had at least one where you were rather persistent not to back off from.
[22:51:39] <circeavalon> Induane, nevermind, I forgot that living a whole life of experiences isn't logical
[22:53:23] <Induane> ?
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[22:53:38] <Induane> no but saying "we should eat a wider variety of food because we did when I was a kid" isn't really a reason
[22:53:44] <Induane> its just that that is what you are used to
[22:53:46] <circeavalon> <Induane> for instance for me right now I have to ask the question: are we eating terribly unhealthy? Is the variety of food sufficient to grow into healthy adults ? Is the food we are eating harming us in some way? What is the cost
[22:53:47] <circeavalon> vs benefit of say adding 30 dollars to the food budget and swapping a few things out. Is the trouble worth the cost both in terms of hassle and in terms of money?
[22:53:56] <circeavalon> I am used to it!
[22:54:10] <circeavalon> I didn't say 'when I was a kid" that was you
[22:54:34] <Induane> you said earlier that you were accustomed to being in a household that valued a wide variety of foods all the time
[22:55:22] <azaghal> DAMN USA!
[22:55:23] <Induane> circeavalon: well I was raised having LOTS of different things, not 19
[22:55:34] <azaghal> Why did dollar had to get stronger compared to euro?
[22:55:35] <azaghal> Sheesh
[22:55:38] <azaghal> Currently listening to: Kansas - Miracles Out Of Nowhere
[22:56:03] <circeavalon> you said kid, I said raised
[22:56:14] <sueastside> azaghal: it didnt, the euro is just getting weaker
[22:56:15] <Induane> because the european union doesn't have the power to regulate its currency among its states/countries and thus had a more difficult time in varied economic situations from country/state to country/state
[22:56:22] <sueastside> 1.21 currently
[22:56:24] <Induane> ok I was raised as a kid
[22:56:41] <circeavalon> I was raised untill I moved out
[22:56:46] <thebolt> Induane: actually, for the euro-countries there is pretty strong central governing
[22:56:47] <Induane> didn't see nor care about the distinction - I wasn't raised starting when I was no longer a kid
[22:57:01] <circeavalon> semantics!
[22:57:04] <Induane> its semantics - you're picking apart something unimportant
[22:57:10] <circeavalon> I got it first
[22:57:14] <Induane> haha
[22:57:18] <Induane> true that
[22:57:25] <azaghal> sueastside: Well, it sucks. I used to have great conversion rates when buying stuff online.
[22:57:29] * sueastside slaps circeavalon
[22:57:37] <sueastside> azaghal: i know!
[22:57:50] * circeavalon roundhouse kicks sueastside
[22:57:52] <sueastside> azaghal: i was almost twice as rich over there 2 years ago!
[22:58:00] <azaghal> Yeah
[22:58:02] <azaghal> Bastards...
[22:58:15] <sueastside> fucking greeks
[22:58:17] <azaghal> Now you can't hire two hookers for the same price anymore when you get there :/
[22:58:25] <sueastside> they pissed away half of my money
[22:58:30] <Induane> The point I meant or was inadequately trying to make is that the fact that you were raised with a wide variety of food doesn't make my being raised with a lower variety more or less important. thats the more is better argument.
[22:58:53] <Induane> We had different experiences
[22:59:09] <circeavalon> I am use to tasting and trying all sorts of different things and experiencing them
[22:59:12] <Induane> it doesn't make either of our experiences or opinions derived from those experiences more or less important in any way.
[22:59:24] <thebolt> Induane: well, i don't see how more variety can be bad though.. and doesn't have to cost any extra
[22:59:24] <sueastside> Induane: circeavalon : You know what? SPECIAL DINNER SUNDAYS!
[22:59:31] <Induane> sueastside: not a bad idea
[22:59:35] <Induane> I'mk game
[22:59:54] <circeavalon> won't work, I'm the only one here on sunday
[23:00:02] <sueastside> GAAAAAAHHRRR
[23:01:09] <Induane> thebolt: it can and does - for one if we get a bunch of new stuff and I find it all detestable then I have to at some point eat something different which costs more - I might love it too, who knows - a risk. Its also more hassle because not knowing
[23:01:11] <Induane> how it will affect the budget without doing research on pricing every two weeks (when we shop) makes it hard to know what we can and can't spend.
[23:01:13] <sueastside> pick another day! make it every first monday and every last friday of the month!!!! just pick any reoccuring event!
[23:01:25] <Induane> Or how far the money will go
[23:01:30] <Induane> at the moment our budget is very static.
[23:01:45] <circeavalon> and so is our meal variety
[23:01:50] <Induane> Mostly I can't go spend an extra 50 dollars on groceries because we got different things and it only lasted a week.
[23:02:15] <Induane> I'm not even arguing that we have the best solution
[23:02:19] <circeavalon> wow nice excuse
[23:02:30] <Induane> I just need a reason to change what is working
[23:02:34] <Induane> If it isn't broke don't fix it
[23:02:41] <circeavalon> you grocery shop that often anyways
[23:02:52] <Induane> Every 2 weeks... thats what I said...
[23:03:05] <Induane> basically each time I get paid which is bi monthly
[23:03:08] <Induane> approx 2 weeks
[23:03:20] <Induane> Its not an excuse its an unknown
[23:03:40] <circeavalon> it's stagnant
[23:03:56] <Induane> I'm saying that at the moment for now anyways I'm happy with the variety. The kids eat fairly well, I'm content, we're within budget, and no one is in any harm from it.
[23:04:01] <Induane> TO YOU
[23:04:04] <Induane> thats the point
[23:04:08] <Induane> I'm fine with it personally
[23:04:18] <thebolt> Induane: come visit me after i move in october.. then i will make sure oyu'll try stuff you didn't even know existed :P
[23:04:23] <Induane> Kerri is a creature of sameness, she fears the unknown a lot
[23:04:37] <Induane> thebolt - like what? I HAVE eaten some odd stuff over the years
[23:04:53] <Induane> so Kerri is content as well
[23:04:59] <circeavalon> fear isn't logical
[23:05:22] <Induane> I think for instance fearing the sound of a rattle snakes tail buzzing is - its supposed to keep you safe.
[23:05:30] <Induane> All fear isn't irrational - we were built with it for a reason.
[23:05:35] <Induane> but some fear is irrational
[23:05:39] <thebolt> Induane: fish stomach filled with crab-meat? fermented tofu? hm.. bulls penis should apparently be possible to find
[23:05:53] <Induane> I'm just saying judging from her nature that Kerri is probably perfectly happy with the repertoire we are cycling through now
[23:06:04] <thebolt> (the fish stomach is pretty ok btw)
[23:06:33] <sueastside> thebolt: i noticed you didnt mentioned how the bull penis was...
[23:06:34] <Induane> thebolt: well had crab meat alone :D Never fermented tofu (hopefully its better than regular), bull penis no, just bull testicles and brains
[23:06:43] <circeavalon> so since everyone else is fine then one person is the minority so it doesn't need to be changed cause fuck the minority
[23:07:02] <azaghal> Currently listening to: Kansas - Dust in the Wind
[23:07:11] <thebolt> sueastside: didn't try it, just know you can find it :P
[23:08:15] <Induane> circeavalon: no, not at all, I'm saying that simnply there needs to be a major reason for me to cycle through a big variety all the time - I honestly am not going to go do pricing research - I'm just not going to have the gumption to do it. We'd have to plan each meal a bit better and what we were buying a bit more specifically
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[23:10:32] <Induane> But it is some of 5 people in a room. 4 people are happy. 1 wants caviar. 4 people have to give up something they
[23:10:33] <Induane> know they like in favor of the unknown. I'm personally generally a sure whatever lets do it! kind of person when
[23:10:35] <Induane> it comes to me personally. But not when it comes to making monetary decisions that affect teh whole household
[23:10:37] <Induane> including yourself, I don't ahve the luxury of being so freeqheeling anymore.
[23:10:58] <Induane> Nor the luxury of spellcheck apparently
[23:11:21] <circeavalon> nevermind
[23:11:27] <circeavalon> this is useless
[23:11:30] <circeavalon> I give up
[23:11:33] <circeavalon> you win
[23:11:58] <Induane> all I have so far is I want more variety of food because I like more variety of food
[23:12:01] <Induane> which is cool
[23:12:12] <circeavalon> but it's not enough
[23:12:16] <circeavalon> so whatever
[23:12:18] <Induane> and sueastside's wild sunday dinner idea is a perfect start
[23:12:27] <circeavalon> CAUSE YOUR NEVER HERE
[23:12:34] <sueastside> Induane: its no use, shes stuck on loop.
[23:12:35] <circeavalon> that is why it's perfect
[23:12:44] <Induane> you mean dinner at trishes
[23:12:47] <circeavalon> no I am done
[23:12:49] <circeavalon> done
[23:12:50] <Induane> wild dinner saturday then
[23:12:53] <Induane> whatever
[23:13:08] <Induane> its just a matter of scheduling not me picking it cause I want to bail - I just said sunday cause thats what sueastside said
[23:13:22] <circeavalon> you eat out on the wekeends cause you are never here, your always at your parents, seeing your friends or seeing Kerris mom
[23:13:36] <Induane> I see my friends friday night
[23:13:46] <Induane> I do spend time at moms because she is likely dying and needs help
[23:13:51] <sueastside> Induane: just say 'we'll do it on tuesday'
[23:13:52] <Induane> but if we have scheduled dinners
[23:14:00] <Induane> I have no problem making that someting I go to
[23:14:04] <circeavalon> it would be better for the bugjet
[23:14:05] <Induane> just like we do the trish dinners
[23:14:22] <Induane> but I usually eat at my friends, or moms, which is free
[23:14:26] <circeavalon> yeah
[23:14:34] <circeavalon> so no need to cook for those days
[23:14:37] <circeavalon> I understand
[23:14:54] <Induane> well we don't always go there
[23:15:02] <Induane> but sometimes yea
[23:15:15] <Induane> but I'm just saying if we have a day we have the brianna dinner of doom or whatever
[23:15:16] <Deepa> azaghal: can you spare a few minutes?
[23:15:18] <Induane> thats fine
[23:15:20] <circeavalon> never mind, I just feel like I can't do something that I want to do to sort of earn my keep and that is something that I am good at
[23:15:20] <Deepa> I need to confirm my model
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[23:15:29] <Induane> that means two big crazy meals a pay period
[23:15:33] <circeavalon> I need to fill some sort of fulfillment
[23:15:50] <sueastside> Deepa: join #peragro-dev
[23:16:14] <Induane> fill fullfillment? XD
[23:16:25] <Induane> but then you can plan for two meals pretty specifically
[23:16:28] <Induane> and make the list
[23:16:31] <circeavalon> I feel useless and I know that making something new makes me feel like I did something for everyone that no one else can provide
[23:16:35] <Induane> I'm good with making sure we get that stuff
[23:16:45] <Induane> crazy brianna saturday dinner of doom sounds fun
[23:17:10] <Induane> But it has to have that name because then I at least have one lasting contribution to the dinner
[23:18:23] <sueastside> how did it go from 'special dinner (insert day here)' to 'crazy brianna's saturday dinner of doom'?
[23:20:42] <Induane> Because it sounds cooler in my head that way and I bought the table....
[23:20:45] <Induane> :D
[23:23:19] <circeavalon> I feel like a BIG CRYING IDIOT
[23:23:46] <circeavalon> god, please someone shut me up
[23:24:34] * azaghal sticks sueastside's ***** in circeavalon's mouth
[23:24:35] <azaghal> There.
[23:24:41] <azaghal> Effective and romantic.
[23:25:49] <circeavalon> wow totally romantic
[23:25:58] * circeavalon high fives azaghal
[23:26:23] <circeavalon> and dick and cock only have for letters..you must have gotten excited
[23:26:32] <circeavalon> four*
[23:26:39] <azaghal> circeavalon: Nah, I just prefer Latin or whatever it is :)
[23:26:47] <circeavalon> oh, I see
[23:26:57] * azaghal paints circeavalon blonde
[23:27:04] <circeavalon> it is blonde
[23:27:32] <azaghal> Btw, don't get me wrong, but I've noticed most natural blondes are very intelligent.
[23:27:42] <sueastside> azaghal: yeah me
[23:27:45] <azaghal> It's usually painted ones that are dumb (if/when)
[23:27:50] <azaghal> Except sueastside, of course.
[23:27:55] <Chieftain> oh ma god yaaahh
[23:28:01] <Chieftain> being blonde is soooo much fuuuun
[23:28:32] <sueastside> Chieftain: not really, people start speaking slowly when i ask something
[23:30:31] <Induane> time to head !
[23:30:34] <Induane> see yta!
[23:31:10] <circeavalon> head?
[23:32:09] <sueastside> kory needs to be pleasured or he wont get his paycheck
[23:32:29] <azaghal> http://www.h-online.com/open/features/GNU-HURD-Altered-visions-and-lost-promise-1030942.html
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[23:56:03] <Deepa> HURD is STALLED
[23:56:21] <Deepa> What'd you expect from Richard Stallman?