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[02:02:20] <azaghal> Night ;)
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[10:16:16] <needle> good morning
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[10:38:30] <Tucos> \o
[10:41:27] <Arerano_Areramau> o/ I'm not sober; not at all. o_o
[10:42:00] <needle> Tucos: o/ Arerano_Areramau \o
[10:43:12] <Tucos> \o needle, Arerano_Areramau
[10:44:27] <Arerano_Areramau> And I can still spell well!
[10:44:58] <Arerano_Areramau> And I discovered that "jeans" and "genes" are homophones.
[10:45:09] <Arerano_Areramau> (I just have to correct my spelling a lot :P )
[10:45:11] <Arerano_Areramau> typos
[10:45:29] <Tucos> you're drunk indeed
[10:45:29] <azaghal> Morning
[10:45:36] <Tucos> hey azaghal
[10:47:16] <Arerano_Areramau> Why indeed?
[10:47:50] <Arerano_Areramau> one could say "It's in my genes.", and it could actually be "It's in my jeans." :P
[10:48:59] <Tucos> you're drunk cause you type too much incoherent nonsense :p
[10:57:02] <Arerano_Areramau> no YOU!
[10:57:33] <Tucos> urmum
[11:01:05] <azaghal> Arerano_Areramau: Why stop there?
[11:01:39] <Arerano_Areramau> Where?
[11:02:28] <azaghal> Here
[11:03:29] <Arerano_Areramau> How did I stop?
[11:05:49] <needle> azaghal ? you know what is meant with ld library path?
[11:06:58] <needle> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/227505/
[11:07:12] <needle> this is when i do 'ldd celtst'
[11:07:23] <needle> i don't see any broken libraries
[11:09:26] <needle> but my initial problem is "could not load plugin 'crystalspace.kernel.vfs'"
[11:09:43] <needle> if i try to run celtst,
[11:10:46] <needle> well i tried to build CS statically and it works, but CEL somehow does not find this cs.kernel.vfs if i build it and finally try to run it :)
[11:10:48] <needle> azaghal: ?
[11:10:57] <needle> azaghal: HELP :D
[11:11:23] <Tucos> meant with ld library path => $LD_LIBRARY_PATH ; it's an env var which indicates where some libs could be found if theyre not in the usual path
[11:12:01] <needle> so http://paste.pocoo.org/show/227506/
[11:12:08] <needle> here a re my variables
[11:12:46] <Tucos> declare -x LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/opt/peragro_svn/CS_latest/:/opt/peragro_svn/CEL_latest/:/opt/peragro_svn/CEGUI-0.7.1/lib:/opt/peragro_svn/CS_latest/:/opt/peragro_svn/CEL_latest/:/opt/peragro_svn/CEGUI-0.7.1/lib:/usr/lib/"
[11:12:46] <Tucos> seems like thats set correctly :p
[11:13:00] <needle> yeah :(
[11:13:56] <azaghal> needle: Are you using Fedora 13 by any chance?
[11:14:10] <needle> azaghal: i would rather die than use Fedora
[11:14:15] <Tucos> :O
[11:14:15] <needle> azaghal: i use gentoo
[11:14:27] <azaghal> needle: Maybe you need to export CRYSTAL env. variable?
[11:14:52] <azaghal> And when the hell did bash change to that declare -x thing?
[11:14:54] <Tucos> he already has that: declare -x CRYSTAL="/opt/peragro_svn/CS_latest"
[11:15:39] <needle> azaghal: let me explain if i follow the wiki and build dynamically, it works all as it should
[11:16:09] <azaghal> Hm...
[11:16:10] <needle> azaghal: if i build CS statically, this error on CEL jumps out, saying could not load plugin 'crystalspace.kernel.vfs'"
[11:16:25] <azaghal> Well, no idea, to be honest.
[11:16:31] <azaghal> Maybe it didn't get statically linked to CS?
[11:17:14] <Tucos> does walktest_static work?
[11:17:17] <needle> yeah it looks like there is some kind of trouble, with that static build, it is also a problem since you find hardly informations :|
[11:17:23] <Tucos> did you use staticplugins for cs?
[11:17:28] <needle> Tucos: walktest_static works best :)
[11:17:47] <needle> yes id did build with staticplugins wait i look again
[11:18:03] <needle> jam -a libs staticplugins walktest_static cs-config-1.9 cs-config -j8
[11:18:09] <needle> that is how i build it
[11:18:54] <needle> well ok, looks i am on my own again :|
[11:34:37] <azaghal> needle: Maybe check at CS channel?
[11:35:01] <azaghal> Maybe you need to tell CEL to use static CS?
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[11:43:26] <needle> looks like most the people who have to do with PS and PT are all united in the #crystalspace channel
[11:43:49] <Tucos> yep
[11:45:42] <needle> ok, before i ask there once again, i ask the mother of all searching engines
[11:46:00] <Tucos> :o
[11:46:11] <Tucos> you mean altavista? :p
[11:47:21] <needle> erm i meant yahoo ;)
[11:55:01] <Arerano_Areramau> xD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1wy2Li7_Ps&NR=1#t=1m7s
[11:55:14] <Arerano_Areramau> dog wants booze too! :P
[11:57:55] <Tucos> that dog is nasty :<
[11:58:02] <Tucos> the guy taped to the bed was funny :D
[11:58:23] <Arerano_Areramau> kinky :P
[12:14:32] <azaghal> needle: I'd guess that CEL's not really trying to build against static.
[12:15:05] * azaghal wants no rain this evening so he could bloody start running.
[12:19:47] <needle> azaghal: well that could be, since i did not find any ./configure flag enabling
[12:20:11] <needle> azaghal: additionally i did not find any way to jam static CEL
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[12:20:26] <sueastside> azaghal: put on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=865fAUAp9DY and run in place in front of your computer
[12:20:30] <azaghal> needle: Have you asked at CS channel?
[12:20:30] <Tucos> for jam you should look at its defined targets
[12:21:41] <needle> azaghal: i did, i wait for a responce
[12:21:47] <Tucos> sometimes i hate my uni's it department :<
[12:22:10] <azaghal> Is the guy they tied to bed laughing or crying?
[12:22:17] <Tucos> he's laughing
[12:22:39] <azaghal> Rofl at dog
[12:22:42] <azaghal> Ewwwwwww
[12:22:51] <azaghal> For fuck's sake...
[12:22:52] <sueastside> needle: in CEL do a jam clean && jam cel_staticplugins celtst_static
[12:22:57] <azaghal> He's giving him a French kiss!
[12:23:29] <Tucos> FUCK EEEET
[12:23:39] <Tucos> can't login to the wannabe blackboard shit anymore :s
[12:24:20] <azaghal> Tucos: What's that?
[12:24:21] <Tucos> and the webmail is down .. maybe they're doing maintainance or something
[12:24:50] <Tucos> azaghal: it's called eduweb, it's the place where some courses dump all slides and other docs, where i cna see my schedule and marks and courses and everything
[12:24:50] <Arerano_Areramau> azaghal: xD
[12:25:09] <Arerano_Areramau> azaghal: I think the dog is even trying to bite a piece out :P
[12:25:13] <Tucos> azaghal: and they also have blackboard, which does pretty much the same, except for marks and schedule
[12:25:23] <azaghal> Arerano_Areramau: I think the dog is looking for food leftovers...
[12:35:28] <Arerano_Areramau> yeah
[12:35:35] <Arerano_Areramau> gross! :P
[12:37:44] <needle> sueastside: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/227528/ looks like it fails to link celtst_static
[12:37:59] <needle> sueastside: however i use trunk, i try better an mature version of cel
[12:46:01] <azaghal> needle likes older ones...
[12:47:09] <Tucos> :p
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[13:30:48] <sueastside> needle: cel/apps/celtest/Jamfile remove line 96-97 sprcal3d sprcal3dldr and jam again
[13:47:10] <Tucos> the principal is a popular movie, share ratio: 26,682 and still going :o
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[18:09:19] <needle> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/227651/
[18:11:12] <azaghal> needle: celstart_static: Warning: Static plugin "csjngimg" from package "CRYSTAL" not available.
[18:11:14] <azaghal> celstart_static: Warning: Static plugin "physldr" from package "CRYSTAL" not available.
[18:11:17] <azaghal> bootstrap_static: Warning: Static plugin "csjngimg" from package "CRYSTAL" not available.
[18:11:20] <azaghal> bootstrap_static: Warning: Static plugin "odedynam" from package "CRYSTAL" not available.
[18:11:23] <azaghal> nettest_static: Warning: Static plugin "sprcal3d" from package "CRYSTAL" not available.
[18:11:26] <azaghal> nettest_static: Warning: Static plugin "sprcal3dldr" from package "CRYSTAL" not available.
[18:11:29] <azaghal> These?
[18:11:34] <azaghal> needle: I'd say it doesn't manage to detect some plugins, but is it normal for those?
[18:11:53] <azaghal> Oh, and -j8 for debugging purposes? Bad idea :)
[18:12:32] <azaghal> And maybe you need to regenerate the configure. Is Jamfile a product of configure or not?
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[19:43:12] <sueastside> needle: 'remove' dont try to comment it
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[20:15:14] <azaghal> Holy crap
[20:28:33] <azaghal> I'm way too heavy...
[20:29:22] <sueastside> azaghal: over 217pounds?
[20:29:29] <azaghal> Nope
[20:29:36] <azaghal> I think I'm ~80-85kg.
[20:29:43] <azaghal> Who knows, maybe even 90.
[20:29:46] <azaghal> I wouldn't be surprised.
[20:29:49] <sueastside> thats 10 less than me :P
[20:30:09] <azaghal> Let's say my back started hurting after just a little bit of running today.
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[20:31:03] <sueastside> i suggest 50 sit-ups each morning just when you get up.
[20:32:03] <azaghal> Yeah, I'll start doing morning exercises now.
[20:32:22] * Tucos is approx 60kg xD
[20:32:45] <azaghal> Tucos: I always _knew_ I was a man and a half of what _you_ are!
[20:33:15] <Tucos> XD
[20:33:29] <sueastside> if you do that you boost your metabolism with 300%, eat five times a day and no more then the size of your fist
[20:33:47] <Tucos> i can eat all day and never gain a kg :)
[20:33:52] <sueastside> Tucos: its because youre 15 and lanky
[20:33:56] <azaghal> Tucos is 15?
[20:34:14] <Tucos> the old man didn't know? :p
[20:34:18] <azaghal> Nope
[20:34:25] <azaghal> I'm almost 26 :D
[20:34:41] <azaghal> Tucos: Young lad, back in my age, we had respect for the elderly.
[20:34:50] <Tucos> i'm 20 :p
[20:34:53] <Tucos> and indeed lanky
[20:35:06] <sueastside> azaghal: back in your time they had dinos too
[20:36:21] <thebolt> i know a guy who used (at least, not sure about now) to be able to eat pizz or other junk five times a week, never exercise and still not gain a kg..
[20:36:26] <thebolt> bastards
[20:36:27] <thebolt> -s
[20:37:21] <Tucos> i should have my cholesterol level checked sometime soon .. and all the other stuff :p
[20:37:52] <azaghal> Tucos: Yeah, especially other stuff... You wouldn't like your lady friends to have an unpleasant surprise.
[20:38:22] <Tucos> lol, i'm pretty sure that part is ok, vital parts of my body get tested daily ;)
[20:38:41] <azaghal> Bastard...
[20:38:49] <Tucos> whut?
[20:38:58] <Tucos> you keep it in a glass jar? :p
[20:39:40] <azaghal> Heh
[20:39:59] * circeavalon pokes sueastside
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[22:06:46] * azaghal slaps sueastside
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[22:36:44] <Deepa> I feel like the perfect person :D
[22:36:49] <Deepa> I can't even remember my own birthday
[22:36:53] <Tucos> \o/
[22:37:03] <azaghal> Deepa: Happy birthday!
[22:37:11] <Deepa> It was 20 days ago
[22:37:12] <Deepa> err 14
[22:37:16] <azaghal> Damn
[22:37:22] <Deepa> or actually 15
[22:37:52] <Deepa> It just struck me that I couldn't remember where my girlfriend works
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[22:42:31] <Deepa> or what part in town it was
[22:42:32] <Deepa> or if it even was in this town
[22:43:47] <Deepa> Also, azaghal
[22:43:47] <Deepa> I heard you can make websites
[22:45:17] <azaghal> I can?
[22:45:24] <Deepa> As in design
[22:45:25] <azaghal> Deepa: You mean majic.rs?
[22:45:29] <azaghal> Erm, not really.
[22:45:35] <Deepa> As in better than me
[22:46:01] <Deepa> and you know more about PT than I do
[22:47:12] <azaghal> To be honest, I'm lousy at any design.
[22:47:27] <Deepa> You know more about PT and the internal mechanics and it's gamemasters than I do then!
[22:47:58] <Tucos> just steal a theme and mod it a bit :p
[22:48:09] <Deepa> Oh it's not for my website
[22:48:26] <Deepa> It's somewhat PT related
[22:49:17] <azaghal> Ok, shoot
[22:49:31] <Deepa> You know the system I've been working on?
[22:50:22] <Deepa> I began the final part and started working on the webinterface
[22:50:25] <Deepa> Tried to make a mockup design
[22:50:28] <azaghal> Ah
[22:50:31] <Deepa> But it struck me that I do not really know what needs to be where
[22:50:37] <azaghal> Ok, when it comes down to CSS etc - I have no idea.
[22:50:39] <Deepa> And I vomitted while making the design
[22:51:08] <Tucos> why not make it pure html at first?
[22:51:15] <Deepa> I did
[22:51:16] <Tucos> just split it up logically
[22:51:21] <Deepa> But I still don't know really what's needed
[22:51:27] <Tucos> huh?
[22:52:10] <Deepa> http://wiki.peragro.org/index.php/Petition%20system
[22:52:43] <Tucos> so basically you're saying you didn't think out the system enough before starting developing it? :p
[22:53:01] <Deepa> Basically I'm saying that I know the bare minimum but I don't know what else the people using it would want
[22:53:46] <Deepa> things like "close petition, escalate, add comments"
[22:56:33] <Deepa> :D
[22:56:40] <Deepa> Tucos: wanna help me out?
[22:59:26] <Tucos> sorry, diarrhea ^^
[22:59:35] <Tucos> ehm, when exactly?
[22:59:41] <Deepa> When?
[22:59:44] <Tucos> and what with exactly, jsut a petitioning system?
[22:59:44] <Deepa> Well, it's a work in progress
[22:59:53] <Deepa> With designing the petition system and it's features
[23:01:48] <Deepa> I think I have the barebone basics
[23:02:00] <Tucos> written down somewhere where i can read it? :p
[23:02:06] <Tucos> oh wait, already got that :D
[23:02:09] <Deepa> That'd be the wiki :P
[23:02:38] <Deepa> at the wiki*
[23:03:35] <Tucos> ok, let's start at the basics, just for hte sake of me looking like i know stuff about planning and shiz :p
[23:03:42] <Tucos> what is a petition exactly defined as? :)
[23:03:55] <Deepa> When a player needs a gm, send a petition
[23:04:02] <Deepa> Things like, out of bounds
[23:04:08] <azaghal> Deepa: Did you play Planeshift?
[23:04:18] <Deepa> I did, but I keep on forgetting everything about it
[23:04:35] <Tucos> that's a Good Thing â„¢
[23:04:40] <Deepa> Rather, I kept on falling out of bounds and having to walk out of the death realm
[23:04:46] <azaghal> Well, Planeshift didn't really work well :)
[23:04:54] <Deepa> Hilarious the 9th time
[23:04:56] <Tucos> oob often put me back somewhere on the map
[23:06:12] <Deepa> anyways, you were saying something azaghal?
[23:06:19] <Deepa> Something like "your system won't really be necessary"?
[23:06:28] <Tucos> apparently: "if you know something from PS, don't use it for PT", i guess
[23:06:31] <azaghal> No, I said PS's system didn't work well.
[23:06:48] <Deepa> Oh this is a collection from 3 other mmorpgs :P
[23:06:51] <Tucos> anyhoo, where/when and how will the player be able to file said petition?
[23:06:57] <azaghal> Deepa: I'd like to be able to have something like scoring system for GMs, personally.
[23:07:15] <azaghal> Deepa: Maybe even ability to have different levels of GMs/people helping.
[23:07:16] <Deepa> You can't give out points for completed petitions?
[23:07:27] <Deepa> Different levels of GMs/people helping is already in the docs
[23:07:33] <Deepa> Hence the escalate feature
[23:07:35] <azaghal> And _maybe_ even ability to send automated responses (let's say players keep asking the same thing).
[23:08:01] <azaghal> With possibility of noting down how many of those happened so that you could later on tweak tutorials etc to cover it.
[23:08:19] <Deepa> hmm, automated response would have to be in the system itself
[23:08:24] <azaghal> Deepa: Yeah, completed petitions points, sure :)
[23:08:32] * Tucos walks away ... :p
[23:08:38] <azaghal> Tucos: -.-
[23:08:49] <Tucos> what -.-?
[23:08:51] <azaghal> Well, think of it as a kind of "precompiled answers"
[23:08:55] <Tucos> you're the -.- here!
[23:09:02] * azaghal pokes Tucos
[23:09:05] * Tucos slaps azaghal
[23:09:22] <Tucos> You're a butterfly in the wind without a care!
[23:09:53] <azaghal> SF on TV.
[23:10:08] <azaghal> sueastside: Tomorrow I'll implement that whole thing I yelled at Vornne and you about :)
[23:11:32] <Deepa> Anything else you want? I already had those on the list :P
[23:11:49] <Deepa> I put them on the wiki too incase anyone should read that and think "Wow, DPHS really lacks these!"
[23:12:09] <Deepa> yikes
[23:12:10] <Deepa> scary
[23:13:14] <Deepa> Anyways, tell me all fucntions you want and I'll fill out my list!
[23:13:26] <Deepa> I may have most of them already, but redudancy is good
[23:16:05] <azaghal> Well, why not try to put down the requirements yourself? I.e. design the whole system?
[23:16:24] <Deepa> Already done, I'm just putting the finishing touches on the webinterface now
[23:16:48] <Deepa> Which coincidentally is being done in django so everything will be 50% done as soon as I find the project on my PC :P
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[23:31:47] <Tucos> Deepa: DON'T! XD
[23:33:22] <Deepa> No django?
[23:33:39] <Tucos> nay, #planeshift :p
[23:33:51] <Deepa> Oh come on, I read those requirements years ago
[23:33:56] <Deepa> I know there's no position suitable for me :-)
[23:35:23] <Tucos> thats not what i meant
[23:36:19] <Deepa> I already left that subject :P