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[00:23:58] <azaghal> Night all ;)
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[09:02:27] * circeavalon pokes sueastside
[09:03:34] * sueastside slaps circeavalon
[09:06:58] <azaghal> Yo
[09:07:43] <sueastside> hey azaghal
[09:13:12] <azaghal> You're not at class?
[09:13:37] <sueastside> azaghal: i am, its called irssi
[09:14:01] <azaghal> Vacation started, day 1 :)
[09:14:57] <thebolt> vacation is for wussies
[09:16:56] <sueastside> no, vacation is for people to develop PT
[09:18:38] <circeavalon> negative, vacation is for people to bang their girlfriend that is in a distant country
[09:18:45] <circeavalon> duh
[09:19:41] <sueastside> PT before hos
[09:19:54] <azaghal> circeavalon: Not anymore...
[09:23:18] <circeavalon> hoe's before bros
[09:23:34] <circeavalon> CHICKS BEFORE DICK
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[09:47:31] <sueastside> hey |Arerano| tereay
[09:49:05] <tereay> heya 0/
[09:50:54] <azaghal> https://engels.home.majic.rs/public/defective_by_design.png
[09:50:56] <azaghal> Thoughts?
[09:51:43] <sueastside> azaghal: doesnt blend well with the tshirt
[09:53:04] <azaghal> sueastside: Hm... Any ideas?
[09:53:28] <sueastside> make the tshirt an other colour
[09:54:13] <azaghal> I only wear red or black t-shirts :/
[09:57:55] <sueastside> azaghal: teal is the new black
[10:00:09] <|Arerano|> Hello sueastside
[10:06:54] <sueastside> azaghal: have you seen Vornne 's db diff?
[10:07:40] <azaghal> sueastside: Nope
[10:07:54] <azaghal> sueastside: Care to let swedishcoder what to work on then?
[10:09:07] <sueastside> azaghal: http://pastebin.ca/1882838
[10:09:29] <sueastside> azaghal: well i'm not sure what he feels like doing...
[10:09:43] <azaghal> sueastside: Well I told him nobody's working on db stuff :P
[10:10:06] <azaghal> And I really see no need why we should use the damn pimpl all the time...
[10:12:41] <sueastside> well Vornne likes a challenge :)
[10:13:28] <sueastside> azaghal: well he suggested to pull everything together (the stuff we want) and start a new trunk, getting the actual game going...
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[10:20:55] <azaghal> sueastside: I hope I'll manage to clean-up network code now and actually finish it. I need to add some changes regarding threading, and it should be usable.
[10:21:13] <sueastside> azaghal: hurry up, you have one week!
[10:21:18] <azaghal> Heh
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[10:21:52] <sueastside> speak of the devil
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[11:31:53] <azaghal> I seem to have resolved the issue with keyboard by downgrading an entire X.org
[11:35:56] <sueastside> fun
[11:46:52] <Vornne> azaghal: pimpl is often used for the same things as interface classes with virtual functions; except you don't need to use dynamic_cast or take care of allocation, classes can access private members of other instances simply
[11:48:31] <Vornne> if you don't actually need or want to use inheritance, it allows you to use interfaces, so changes to implementations don't trigger massive recompiles
[11:53:43] <Vornne> sueastside: that diff isn't something I have lately been working on and wanted to show, just some unfinished stuff from months ago I never committed (not that you can't show it to people, just a disclaimer ;))
[11:57:25] <sueastside> Vornne: well its a step to a complete engine (minus the oddities like one-to-many properties you mentioned)
[11:58:46] <Vornne> :)
[12:00:54] <sueastside> Vornne: so this week we'll keep poking azaghal till he finishes the networking and then we'll clean trunk and pull all code together
[12:01:58] <azaghal> Vornne: Once again, I think they're useless to us if we exclude first phase of development.
[12:02:10] <sueastside> Vornne: hope you dont have any mount and blade raids or something
[12:02:27] * azaghal personally doesn't give a shit about compile times.
[12:03:07] <azaghal> Well, I actually do...
[12:03:13] <azaghal> But not too much.
[12:03:15] <sueastside> make up your mind :P
[12:03:19] <Vornne> could try... I haven't touched the code for ages now
[12:03:25] <azaghal> I prefer a more readable code instead.
[12:03:50] <azaghal> Yeah, except Vornne needs to write some doxygen in his branch :P
[12:04:19] <Vornne> no, I haven't joined a clan or anything, just play pub now and again, though lately doing some modding has been taking up time
[12:04:49] <sueastside> azaghal: well you ever touched an include file in CS....eek! there it goes completly building crystalspace.lib and relinking everything, not fun for a 2line change you quickly want to test
[12:05:02] <Vornne> azaghal: pimpl isn't complicated at all, just the utility classes to do things automatically are, a bit
[12:05:34] <azaghal> Vornne: The only worth I see to it is in early phases of development, and for proprietary projects.
[12:06:07] <azaghal> sueastside: Personally, CS is a real mess of a code.
[12:06:49] <Vornne> azaghal: code should always be in development
[12:07:08] <Vornne> bugfixes are always being done
[12:07:39] <Vornne> and separating interface and implementation is generally a very good thing for quite a few reasons
[12:08:12] <azaghal> Pimpl is not used for separating interface and implementation.
[12:08:17] <Vornne> pure virtual base classes are one way, pimpl is another way more similar to the C way of interfaces
[12:08:19] <azaghal> It is used in order to avoid recompiles.
[12:08:21] <Vornne> yes they are
[12:08:43] <azaghal> Separation of interfaces is achieved by actually agreeing upon them and sticking to them.
[12:09:13] <azaghal> And if I wanted to code C, I'd go work on kernel.
[12:09:42] <Vornne> why? C is quite valid for many other projects, and it's only more of a C style
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[12:10:20] <Vornne> rather than the sometimes excessive use of virtuals and multiple inhertance of older c++
[12:12:06] <Vornne> the pimpl pointer is very similar to the vptr of virtual classes, just set up a different way...
[12:42:10] <Tucos> \o
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[13:23:43] <sueastside> oy Tucos
[13:23:51] <Tucos> hey sueastside
[14:38:29] <azaghal> sueastside: How about https://engels.home.majic.rs/public/defective_by_design.png ?
[14:46:54] <sueastside> azaghal: better
[14:47:04] <azaghal> Further suggestions?
[14:47:29] <azaghal> Btw, Jekkar told me to wait with t-shirts until he comes back.
[14:47:39] <azaghal> He's mentioning he'll do a vector logo :)
[14:47:59] <sueastside> azaghal: it needs to be higher up for one.
[14:48:15] <azaghal> And second?
[14:48:18] <sueastside> azaghal: whats with the pimpl hatred?
[14:49:16] <azaghal> In my view it's unnecessary layer. No real purpose the way I see it.
[14:52:26] <azaghal> sueastside: Refresh https://engels.home.majic.rs/public/defective_by_design.png ?
[14:53:59] <sueastside> good
[14:54:16] <azaghal> Anything else you think I should change?
[14:55:16] <sueastside> azaghal: i'd make the text a bit bigger with your body odour you can't expect anyone to come close to read it.
[14:57:44] <azaghal> sueastside: I can't make it bigger, I don't have the original.
[14:58:03] <azaghal> http://static.fsf.org/nosvn/dbd/dbd-new-sticker.png is the original
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[18:46:44] <needle> jodl ooo eee tee
[18:47:19] <Tucos> \o needle
[18:47:21] * needle pokes azaghal
[18:47:24] <needle> Tucos: :D
[18:47:28] <azaghal> Yeah, yeah
[18:47:43] <needle> what's up with peragro btw
[18:48:07] <needle> peragro is dead i heard
[18:48:26] <needle> nothning happens :|
[18:49:09] <needle> the once rebel project peragro tempus is like a dead cow
[18:49:25] * needle pokes azaghal
[18:49:49] <needle> nothing to test for me
[18:50:09] <needle> btw, i build summoning wars which uses ogre
[18:50:48] <needle> and also build 0ad from time to time, and the not spoken game also i build occasionally
[18:52:02] <needle> don't get me wrong guys I just how i see it, no offence
[18:52:37] <Tucos> you're somewhat right
[18:57:00] <needle> well many people left and most do not show up at all like recon Rakhun, Rolenun, cyanox etc, Induane etc.
[18:59:06] <needle> Tucos i would rather await this kind of statement from azaghal or suicide.
[18:59:27] <azaghal> The project is not dead.
[18:59:32] <needle> but thanks at least you are honest
[18:59:33] <azaghal> CyaNox6 has no time.
[18:59:41] <sueastside> needle: i kicked rolenun out, recon stops by from time to time, rakhun is in -talk, cyanox is passive, and induane is still with us, an art commit every now and then
[18:59:47] <azaghal> Induane is just not showing up on IRC, but he's still doing artwork.
[18:59:53] <azaghal> Rolenun got offended by some banning stuff.
[18:59:58] <Tucos> needle: i said _somewhat_ , i did _not_ confirm your statement XD
[19:00:11] <azaghal> Rakhun got involved with something else (building his own distro)
[19:00:18] <azaghal> No idea about recon
[19:01:20] <needle> you have a great basis for a game, i saw the art. make something of it, you got also a great documentation
[19:01:36] <sueastside> needle: and azaghal is slaving away at networking, i'm working on http://sueastside.shacknet.nu:8080/ and Anvil, vornne is always up to something in his git
[19:01:36] <needle> a wiki a bug tracker system, many projects are lacking it
[19:02:38] <sueastside> (there is currently a blender bug slowing me down, or the whole repo would already be visible on the site)
[19:02:42] <needle> and there is also a storyboard and all this stuff for a really good game, i just wanted to say it would be really sad if you would give it up!
[19:05:01] <sueastside> needle: soon you can build the world http://sueastside.be/screenshots/assetclient/assetclient5.JPG !
[19:07:10] * needle takes a look at the screenshots
[19:07:10] <azaghal> I sure got frustrated a lot in a minute...
[19:07:25] <azaghal> You can't find a fucking single info about sport store offerings in this country.
[19:07:29] <needle> azaghal: you got only girls in your head
[19:07:30] <azaghal> Not a _single_ web-site.
[19:07:45] <azaghal> needle: That's the main issue! They should be in my bloody hands, not head -.-
[19:07:54] <sueastside> azaghal: siberians dont do sports, way too cold
[19:08:06] <azaghal> sueastside: I need to start running, or I'll turn into a barrel.
[19:08:27] <sueastside> will? make that am :P
[19:08:36] <needle> azaghal: i tell you smthg, don't get a girl, after a while with a girl you soon will think it is better to stay single
[19:08:42] <needle> belive me
[19:08:55] <sueastside> yeah tell me about it
[19:09:21] <azaghal> Abstain from it for 26 years, then let me know :P
[19:10:09] <sueastside> abstain for 23, have loads of sex and then abstain again for 8months, way more horrible!
[19:10:31] <needle> azaghal: i don't want to tell private things, but i think i was rather more lucky w/o any girlfriend than now.
[19:10:55] <sueastside> needle: see not dead!!!
[19:11:05] <needle> hehe :D
[19:11:27] <needle> man, i want to kick your butts to see things moving
[19:11:42] <needle> ;)
[19:11:54] <needle> for peragro of course
[19:12:54] <sueastside> needle: well start by not mentioning girls to azaghal so he can code and not sit there with a stiffy.
[19:13:28] <sueastside> needle: sabotage Vornne 's mount and blade account
[19:14:23] <sueastside> needle: nag blender people to fix https://projects.blender.org/tracker/?func=detail&aid=22611&group_id=9&atid=498
[19:14:53] <needle> damn i don't have a blender account to see that link you posted suicide
[19:14:57] <sueastside> needle: find someone to redo our website
[19:15:15] <needle> sueastside: your website is good, i don't see any problem with it
[19:15:53] <sueastside> meh, i want something awesome like http://www.wolfire.com/overgrowth
[19:15:56] <needle> other projects don't have any fancy websites, and i see more svn updates than there than here :/
[19:16:28] <azaghal> On Microsoft Windows, %SystemRoot%\system32\drivers\etc\ is the default location. Users of 64-bit versions of Windows XP, Windows Server 2003, Server 2008, and Vista but not Windows 7 cannot access the HOSTS file with a 32-bit editor [4] - huh?
[19:16:31] <azaghal> What the fuck?
[19:16:35] <azaghal> :D
[19:16:39] <azaghal> Hilarious
[19:17:06] <needle> you guys have so many things with peragro done, website, bugracker, wiki, storyboard, documentation, howto build and.... just look at it.
[19:17:21] <sueastside> needle: there were like 6 commits this week, even a few more last week
[19:17:35] <sueastside> needle: yet no game :P
[19:17:41] <azaghal> And I'm on vacation :)
[19:17:50] * azaghal is still waiting for Vornne to start documenting his code
[19:18:29] <needle> heh i am At revision 3373 in peragro
[19:19:06] <needle> well i would like to announce your project on happypenguin, but i am not allowed
[19:19:33] <needle> if you guys had a working public server it would be good.
[19:19:40] <sueastside> currently all work is done in branches, think last in trunk was my new inventory...
[19:20:18] <needle> ;) howerver it is good to hear some thing are going on.
[19:20:29] <needle> at least behind the curtain.
[19:21:29] <sueastside> needle: and i added terrain editting to CS which is in anvil
[19:21:57] * needle just wanted to get it of his chest
[19:23:51] <sueastside> needle: how about condensing all this info and making a post on the website? that will make us look alive!
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[19:25:38] <sueastside> and we have loufoque !
[19:27:02] <loufoque> we always have loufoque idling around
[19:27:07] <loufoque> but that's too busy to do anything useful
[19:28:07] <needle> look alive, look alive ? make public server and a working client (if buggy it does not matter) so i can announce it on happypenguin
[19:28:33] <needle> maybe you then get some people interested in peragro, it would really help.
[19:31:05] <sueastside> needle: that would require micromanagement, are you volunteering
[19:31:07] <sueastside> ?
[19:31:30] <needle> you mean i can announce you on happypenguin ?
[19:31:43] <needle> or make a info for peragro website
[19:32:06] <loufoque> azaghal: I want to play PT.
[19:32:22] <azaghal> sueastside: Now look what you have done...
[19:33:01] <needle> azaghal: is not true, i was the first.
[19:33:13] <loufoque> azaghal: I'm just following the instructions in the topic
[19:33:14] <sueastside> needle: well if you step up as project lead and manage those new people coming in...
[19:33:57] <needle> sueastside: i am a horrible project leader and have hardly time for it
[19:34:15] <needle> i am rather a tester and bug track guy to fill bugs in
[19:34:37] <needle> how about XilliX he just left the other project
[19:35:01] <sueastside> XilliX is doing Brass Boiler Online now
[19:35:21] <sueastside> err i mean Tempest in the Aether
[19:35:23] <needle> sueastside: i know all thing are on your shoulders
[19:35:46] <needle> or at least you are the one with the one with knowing it all about peragro
[19:36:17] <sueastside> i'm gone 13 hours a day, the rest of the time is talk to girl, eat, sleep, shower
[19:36:33] <azaghal> I wouldn't call those sessions "talk"...
[19:37:15] <sueastside> talk, flash her my penis, same thing, whatever!
[19:37:28] <needle> azaghal: we don't want to talk about details
[19:38:46] <azaghal> Damn, I'm feeling all down atm :/
[19:38:50] <azaghal> TV time
[19:39:05] <needle> however i would propose someone could build a binary and get a public testing server running, that would be a hudge step
[19:39:29] <needle> since that way you can attract people.
[19:39:39] <sueastside> needle: you can build...
[19:39:57] <needle> yes i can build, is all i do all the time building, and testing
[19:40:22] <sueastside> well put it in a zip and upload :)
[19:41:20] <needle> well if should then look howto build a statically linked binary
[19:41:33] <needle> so we , or peragro could provide a binary.
[19:42:21] <needle> or you mean i should put the source into a zip so people could download it?
[19:43:26] <needle> i am the last guy to say no. *phew* if i knew how to build a statically linked binary then it would be great.
[19:45:10] <needle> but someone has to tell what is stable and what is trunk, i can't provide that kind of information.
[19:48:00] <sueastside> no build a static binary of the trunk version, you'll have to find out how though, perhaps the other game has a howto for it, the process wouldnt differ too much
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[20:03:10] <sueastside> duty calls...
[20:03:34] <needle> azaghal: TV lies, and is passive entertainment, you should not watch tv at all
[20:08:03] <circeavalon> needle, passive entertainment is better than none at all
[20:16:02] <azaghal> Just seen a fantastic thing.
[20:16:14] <azaghal> Basketball game, fight, and finish with a 3 vs 3 :)
[20:30:08] <azaghal> needle: Anything else you'd like to contribute with?
[20:34:34] <Tucos> what build system does PT use?
[20:36:17] <Tucos> sueastside: i doubt having a couple of people on the team requires a lot of micromanagement, just set out clear tasks, assign them and slap them every week
[20:36:47] <azaghal> Tucos: In new code, cmake
[20:37:05] <Tucos> then static linking (however, evil) is pretty easy
[20:40:47] <Tucos> it's just a matter of doing "cmake -DSTATIC=ON [..]" :) (took a while to find that option :p)
[20:42:39] <circeavalon> sueastside, I love you goodbight dearheart!
[20:42:45] <circeavalon> night*
[20:43:04] <circeavalon> damn b buttons got to be right next to the n doesn't it?
[20:43:09] <sueastside> circeavalon: love you mostest
[20:43:18] <circeavalon> I love you mostestest
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[20:43:42] <sueastside> Tucos: jam in trunk
[20:44:50] <azaghal> Hm...
[20:45:01] <Tucos> "the other game" has special targets for static builds using jam
[20:45:04] * azaghal pukes
[20:45:10] <Tucos> jam -aq client_static
[20:45:14] <azaghal> sueastside: Anyway, worked with Boost.Thread?
[20:46:13] <sueastside> azaghal: a bit, i have workers and a task queue in assetclient
[20:46:34] <azaghal> Best way to make thread stop execution?
[20:46:38] <azaghal> Interrupt points?
[20:46:39] <azaghal> Variables?
[20:46:44] <azaghal> Something else?
[20:47:54] <needle> azaghal: I look what i can do with the static client binary I think that's a clear task
[20:48:07] <sueastside> hmm not using that, but from the docs, i'd say interrupt points, seems to be what they're for (with enable/disable interrupt etc)
[20:48:17] <azaghal> needle: Interested into learning some cmake?
[20:48:31] <sueastside> good night
[20:48:36] <azaghal> sueastside: Wait
[20:48:47] <needle> azaghal: i know cmake from building random packages i build all the time
[20:48:48] <sueastside> im available for questions tomorrow at 9
[20:48:50] <azaghal> sueastside: But should it be coupled with some variable check?
[20:48:53] <azaghal> :P
[20:49:04] <azaghal> needle: As in writing 'em.
[20:49:09] <sueastside> azaghal: i dunno
[20:49:12] <azaghal> Ok
[20:49:13] <needle> azaghal: but i don't know how how to write them
[20:49:27] <azaghal> needle: Well, that's something we'd need :)
[20:49:32] <needle> azaghal: do that, i would like to see cmake in peragro
[20:49:36] <azaghal> I'm using cmake in a very static type atm.
[20:49:45] <azaghal> s/type/way/
[20:49:48] <azaghal> AHem...
[20:49:54] <Tucos> hm, dunno how similar bjam is to jam: http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_36_0/doc/html/bbv2/tutorial.html#bbv2.tutorial.testing ; google is kinda evil too btw, "jam static build" 4th result: https://cyanox.nl/trac/peragro/browser/trunk/mk/jam/static.jam?rev=3306
[20:49:58] <azaghal> I was hoping you'd like to learn how to use it and help us get going :)
[20:50:27] <Tucos> don't try to ask for help in #cmake btw, kinda dead .. only people asking questions :p
[20:52:24] <needle> azaghal: I just have to get an overview what all kind of scripts we have already in snv, probably someone already tried to write a script for static building
[20:52:32] <needle> s/snv/svn
[20:55:12] <azaghal> needle: Well, for start, you could take a look at my network branch and see if you can make it more dynamic.
[20:55:18] <azaghal> (for locations of Boost etc)
[20:55:47] <Tucos> doesn't cmake come with a FindBoost?
[20:56:31] <Tucos> ah, it does :)
[20:58:31] <needle> yay, azaghal where is your network branch
[20:58:54] <azaghal> https://cyanox.nl/peragro/branches/network
[20:59:02] <azaghal> Tucos: I'm not using it atm, though.
[20:59:17] <Tucos> you should, it makes life a whole lot easier
[20:59:30] <Tucos> and i don't even know anything about cmake xD (besides building with it)
[21:00:59] <sueastside> https://cyanox.nl/peragro/branches/assetclient/ a branch that does find boost, CS, curl (and cegui and zlib on windows)
[21:01:58] <azaghal> I wonder if I'd need mutex for when calling DumbPumper::thread.interrupt() as well?
[21:02:03] <azaghal> I.e. for thread object?
[21:03:46] <sueastside> azaghal: dont think so, i think it would behave like join() but up to an interrupt point
[21:04:14] <azaghal> sueastside: Well, what happens if multiple interrupt() get called from different thread on same thread object?
[21:04:52] <needle> damn, if i knew what you are meaning azaghal with saying mutex than it would be really great :)
[21:05:23] * needle hides in haystack for not knowledge of coding
[21:05:43] <sueastside> azaghal: i think you're only suppose to do it from main thread
[21:06:57] <azaghal> sueastside: Hm... Not necessarily, I think.
[21:07:33] <azaghal> needle: mutex is a kind of tag that helps you control who's writing (for example) to some variable when you have multiple threads executing at the same time.
[21:07:42] <sueastside> needle: you need to view a toilet as a means of processing data, a mutex is like a toilet door, it keeps other people out while someone is in there doing its business else you'll get a shit storm
[21:07:59] <azaghal> Actually, even worse.
[21:08:05] <azaghal> You'd have people shitting on top of each-other :)
[21:08:14] <needle> yay that i have understood sueastside
[21:08:14] <Tucos> how is that worse?
[21:09:27] <sueastside> anyways NIGHT
[21:09:37] <needle> nighty sue
[21:09:48] <Tucos> night already? o.o
[21:10:10] <azaghal> Night
[21:13:33] <needle> well first i am checking if the client builds with CEL CS and peragro trunk
[21:13:50] <needle> then i check howto build statically linked binaries
[21:14:44] <needle> last step will be i check then w/o updating my sources howto make a statically linked binary for other users.
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[21:16:24] <needle> hell, It's good i've written a script for updating/building the whole CS/CEL/peragro stuff
[21:16:41] <needle> so i don't have to check the wiki all the time
[21:22:39] <azaghal> needle: Erm, with cmake, right?
[21:22:54] <azaghal> Btw, the network branch is supposed to be a kind of library for other projects as well.
[21:23:48] <needle> azaghal: well i don't know howto build peragro with cmake or CS with cmake, btw, is that possible at all? you wouldn't ask if it were not possible or?
[21:24:13] <needle> azaghal: i can first refer only to the wiki and what is writeen there
[21:24:29] <azaghal> needle: We just need to build PT with cmake.
[21:24:46] <needle> all right
[21:25:35] <sueastside> azaghal: not trunk, nor CS, nor CEL
[21:25:46] <azaghal> Yeah, what sueastside said.
[21:25:53] <azaghal> I said the network branch before :)
[21:27:14] <needle> yay walktest works in cs
[21:27:22] <needle> now i try to get your network branch azaghal
[21:27:57] <Tucos> sueastside: weren't you off to bed? :p
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[21:28:05] <Tucos> \o swedishcoder
[21:28:05] <azaghal> swedishcoder: Yo
[21:28:07] <azaghal> needle: Update :)
[21:28:07] <swedishcoder> hi
[21:29:33] <needle> svn co https://cyanox.nl/peragro/branches/network network
[21:29:52] <needle> hey swedishcoder
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[22:20:48] <needle> bash: ./configure: Permission denied on CEL_latest after ./autogeh.sh
[22:20:51] <needle> lol
[22:21:01] <Tucos> o.O
[22:21:54] <needle> i never had such issue 0.o
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[22:29:17] <Tucos> i'm booored
[22:30:33] <needle> i am tired
[22:31:42] <needle> tommorrow will be a great day i hope
[22:31:57] <Tucos> whaddare you gonna do?
[22:32:25] <needle> trying to force myself to think positive
[22:32:50] <Tucos> aha :D
[22:33:04] <needle> it is all i can do, if I fall into a downward spiral
[22:34:18] <needle> well at least i am healthy , got a place to sleep and a place where i can work
[22:34:38] <needle> and something to eat, and am able to pay my bills
[22:34:53] <azaghal> _And_ you got a g/f...
[22:35:16] <azaghal> As long as it's not "am able to play with my balls"...
[22:35:26] <needle> azaghal!
[22:35:36] <azaghal> Yes?
[22:35:57] <thebolt> needle: you get paid to work?
[22:36:21] <needle> go outside and ask the first girl you see if she wants to spent some time with you
[22:37:00] <needle> thebolt: i earn more money then i actually get to my bank account
[22:37:07] <needle> hehe
[22:37:25] <thebolt> needle: well, nothing to be unhappy about then :P
[22:38:16] <azaghal> Riiight...
[22:38:48] <azaghal> http://lwn.net/Articles/392295/
[22:39:48] <needle> oh so syncevolution is smthg like activesync then
[22:40:01] * needle has no mobile phone at all
[22:40:13] * needle has no tv at home too
[22:40:29] * needle does not read newspapers
[22:40:30] <thebolt> i never had a tv in any apartment i had on my own
[22:40:37] <thebolt> (ie since i moved from my parents place)
[22:43:05] <needle> time to catch some Z's
[22:43:08] <needle> cya
[22:43:23] <Tucos> loeter
[23:25:00] <azaghal> thebolt: https://engels.home.majic.rs/public/boost_t-shirt.png
[23:25:37] <azaghal> I was trying to think-up of a good quote or something :/
[23:25:51] <azaghal> "The way C++ Standard Library should have been" came to mind too
[23:26:17] <thebolt> many things which are new in the next version of the standard library comes from boost :P
[23:26:30] <azaghal> Yes, I know that.
[23:27:03] <azaghal> I think the main reason Java took such a hold over C++ is the standard library it provided.
[23:27:18] <azaghal> Although, sometimes I feel as if C++ had some poor design choices.
[23:29:03] <azaghal> Like the design, though?
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