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[09:08:22] <brankom> Yo
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[09:53:30] <Arutha_> hey
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[10:15:09] <brankom> Arutha_: Yo
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[15:24:31] <Deepa> WSGI o/
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[16:04:30] <sueastside> hey brankom Arutha_ Deepa
[16:04:37] <Deepa> Heya
[16:11:15] <brankom> sueastside: Yo
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[17:39:44] <sueastside> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOfdboHvshg
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[18:06:38] <azaghal> Yo
[18:09:44] <sueastside> wb azaghal
[18:10:39] <azaghal> Thanky
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[18:18:56] <sueastside> hey DoctorXanadu
[18:20:15] <azaghal> Elton John is a gay snob -.-
[18:20:22] <sueastside> DoctorXanadu: you dont even join your own channel?
[18:21:18] <DoctorXanadu> sometimes i forget
[18:27:27] <Deepa> azaghal, I might get a patch of mine submitted to an open source project :D
[18:28:17] <sueastside> Deepa: congratz
[18:28:44] <azaghal> DoctorXanadu: You owe me 10000 euros.
[18:28:44] <azaghal> <.<
[18:28:44] <azaghal> >.>
[18:28:44] <Deepa> It's for a project I'm completly unable to use thanks to my lack of knowledge
[18:28:45] <azaghal> Deepa: Yay! You're contributing to PT!
[18:28:54] <Deepa> azaghal, I alreayd have half DPHS finished
[18:29:04] <Deepa> and the patch adds functionality I don't know how to use
[18:29:25] <azaghal> DPHS?
[18:29:52] <Deepa> Deepy's something Help System
[18:29:58] <azaghal> Ah
[18:30:00] <Deepa> It's detialed on the wiki
[18:30:37] <Deepa> Player Helping system
[18:30:58] <Deepa> It just lacks sanity and consistency because I don't know much about peragro :P
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[18:31:34] <azaghal> :)
[18:31:54] <azaghal> Hm...
[18:32:22] <azaghal> Deepa: Do you know how one implements an interface for Python modules? (when original code is C++)
[18:33:03] <Deepa> You could give me a TCP interface
[18:33:26] <Deepa> and just do something like
[18:33:35] <Deepa> if dphs send message over conn
[18:33:40] <Deepa> else help is currently unavailable
[18:33:54] <Deepa> Or you could use pipes
[18:34:14] <Deepa> But then help would need to be on the same machine
[18:34:31] <azaghal> Well, we'll have a special library for passing messages etc. around.
[18:34:48] <azaghal> The main part you'll be interested is the TCP connection + deserialisation.
[18:34:57] <Deepa> So I should connect like a normal player?
[18:35:12] <azaghal> Actually, yes.
[18:35:16] <azaghal> Well, "normal"
[18:35:45] <azaghal> Technically, you'd be associated with some entity - probably some kind of chat channel.
[18:36:03] <Deepa> a channel?
[18:36:13] <Deepa> I was thinking that when people need help they just do like /help I'm stuck
[18:36:24] <azaghal> Well, whatever you'd call it.
[18:36:40] <Deepa> Ah
[18:36:47] <azaghal> I'd probably go for a design where you could issue some kind of ticket, then someone answers and a chat channel is opened for help.
[18:37:03] <Deepa> Why not just have gammeaster/whatever private message the user?
[18:37:24] <azaghal> Could be done that way as well.
[18:37:33] <azaghal> It all depends on whether you want external system or not.
[18:37:42] <azaghal> Or you want to log the message somewhere outside the game?
[18:37:58] <Deepa> Just pass me the messages, my system handles the rest :-)
[18:38:45] <Deepa> I'll be storing the petitions in SQL
[18:38:56] <azaghal> Hm...
[18:39:03] <azaghal> I wonder if it should be integrated in game itself.
[18:39:17] <Deepa> But then a webinterface would strain the server
[18:51:38] <azaghal> Hm...
[18:51:46] <azaghal> Well, it all depends.
[18:52:13] <azaghal> Web interface could be a kind of "client".
[18:52:28] * azaghal has a deja-vu
[18:53:08] <sueastside> i would do it django with a small PT::Connection implementation using curl to publish and retrieve data
[18:53:56] <azaghal> Hm...
[18:53:59] <azaghal> You know...
[18:54:40] <azaghal> Can we have a field in user profile called "single_cute_geeky_girl_born_about_1984_plus_or_minus_two_years" of boolean type?
[18:56:12] <Deepa> sueastside, I'm actually looking at django for the webinterface
[18:56:29] <azaghal> The only question is - can Django maintain long-time connections?
[18:56:56] <Deepa> What I'm thinking right now is split into 3 parts
[18:57:09] <Deepa> server -> dphs -> sql -> django
[18:58:02] <Deepa> Perhaps I'll even shift that over to server -> dphs -> django <-> sql
[18:58:06] <azaghal> Well, if we have the SQL in external system, it could be a bit, I don't know, weird.
[18:58:21] <Deepa> Please define weird!
[18:58:49] <azaghal> Well, technically, the help system might be considered part of PT.
[18:59:01] <azaghal> The main thing is to allow players from within the game to help as well.
[19:00:00] <Deepa> Wouldn't it be easier to have an open support channel for that and have petitions created when that fails?
[19:02:31] <sueastside> azaghal: not directly, but http://wikipediagame.org/ uses django and XMPP
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[20:10:34] <azaghal> Deepa: If you'll use the PT system (and that's the point), you'd have to have a persistent connection or something similar.
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[20:10:52] <azaghal> Deepa: It could be done through another application and D-Bus, probably.
[20:11:04] <Deepa> D-Bus?
[20:11:07] <azaghal> sueastside: It uses evilsapis!
[20:11:12] <azaghal> Deepa: You know what it is?
[20:11:25] <azaghal> Deepa: I.e. if you don't want to keep the permanent connection yourself.
[20:11:31] <Deepa> Oh it's that horrible thing
[20:11:39] <azaghal> It's not.
[20:11:42] <azaghal> It's great :)
[20:14:02] <Deepa> It's still bothersome to setup :P
[20:14:05] <Deepa> or was that hald?
[20:15:32] <azaghal> hald probably.
[20:15:38] <azaghal> D-Bus allows inter-process communication.
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[20:34:30] <azaghal> Meesa tired :(
[20:39:04] <Deepa> http://www.armchairs.be:6080/stats/
[20:39:11] <Deepa> See, I managed to get a nice bottom bar!
[20:45:31] <azaghal> Bottom?! Where?!
[20:47:49] <Deepa> Roughle in the middle if you start at my head and go towards my feet
[20:50:50] <Deepa> Well it seems that my patch won't be making it
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[20:54:57] <azaghal> :P
[20:55:03] <azaghal> Which patch?
[20:55:04] <azaghal> And where?
[20:58:17] <Deepa> scrapy patch
[20:58:24] <azaghal> scrapy?
[20:58:31] <Deepa> webcrawler in python
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[21:15:06] <Deepa> Hmm, django seems to be overkill for everything
[21:15:19] <Deepa> "You want a pencil? No way, have a rocketship instead!"
[21:25:09] * circeavalon pokes sueastside
[21:26:38] <sueastside> Deepa: you have to admit, a rocketship is way cooler...
[21:26:54] <Deepa> Yeah
[21:29:01] <azaghal> circeavalon: Woman, you'll poke him to death!
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[21:46:57] <circeavalon> azaghal: hope so :D
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[22:18:28] <Deepa> bah, I need a new website design
[22:20:39] <azaghal> With hookers! And blackjack!
[22:20:48] <Deepa> Yes!
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[23:14:09] * Deepa sighs
[23:14:16] <Deepa> Thanks to that awesome background on the other site
[23:14:21] <azaghal> Hm?
[23:14:25] <Deepa> I can't even look at the pages I make >.<
[23:14:34] <azaghal> Yeah, I know.
[23:14:39] <azaghal> My site's design is very cool.
[23:14:53] <Deepa> Got it live somewhere btw?
[23:14:55] <azaghal> People just look at it and go "Oh, crap, how can I compete with that?"
[23:15:03] <azaghal> Live somewhere what?
[23:15:19] <Deepa> Well, I've only seen it when used on the page I made :P
[23:15:20] <sueastside> Deepa: http://www.wolfire.com/overgrowth
[23:15:56] <Deepa> I was thinking of the one with this as background image: http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1096/unwelcomeagainnz6.jpg
[23:15:58] <azaghal> Deepa: You mean my blog?
[23:16:22] <azaghal> The issue with big background images is...
[23:16:27] <azaghal> They're _big_
[23:16:28] <azaghal> :)
[23:16:45] <Deepa> Your blog looks nice too
[23:17:48] <Deepa> I've been thinking about going for a two column layout
[23:17:55] <Deepa> But it looks hideous no matter what I do
[23:18:30] <sueastside> Deepa: if everything else fails go for grey http://sueastside.shacknet.nu:8080/
[23:18:54] <azaghal> Deepa: Check out some of the Drupal themes?
[23:18:58] <Deepa> I see a lot of jquery
[23:19:05] <Deepa> azaghal, I'm not using drupal :P
[23:19:11] <azaghal> I'm actually thinking of ditching the theme I use (Deco) for something lighter.
[23:19:11] <Deepa> I'm working in django now
[23:19:18] <azaghal> Deepa: Check out for design ideas...
[23:19:25] <Deepa> Oh
[23:19:42] <Deepa> sueastside, nifty!
[23:20:05] <Deepa> Though I just need something that looks good enough to be a temp layout
[23:21:31] <Deepa> I were pretty close to just say "fuck it" and rip the design from the django admin interface
[23:22:37] <sueastside> Deepa: you dont have to rip it, you can extend it and override files locally in your app
[23:23:02] <Deepa> Sounds like even more work :P
[23:32:48] <Deepa> hideous hideous hideous :E
[23:32:51] <Deepa> things just keep on getting worse
[23:33:16] <Deepa> I had a seemingly nice start
[23:33:20] <Deepa> but then all of a sudden it turns to this!
[23:33:21] <Deepa> http://www.armchairs.be/~deepy/wth.html
[23:41:39] <azaghal> Deepa: How about one of these? https://majic.rs/v/serbia/20100501_sunset/ :)
[23:42:03] <Deepa> :]
[23:42:58] <Deepa> Having ripped out the default-bg.gif from the webinterface I now feel happy with http://www.armchairs.be/
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[23:50:25] <sueastside> Deepa: http://sueastside.be/pcd/ ?
[23:51:03] <Deepa> I'm looking for simple :P
[23:51:06] <Deepa> That one is quite complex!
[23:51:17] <sueastside> Deepa: nah very simple :)
[23:52:04] <Deepa> I'm thinking about being a copycat and "borrow ideas" from http://www.digital-haze.net/
[23:52:56] <sueastside> thats soo 1998
[23:53:13] <azaghal> cpcat?
[23:54:20] <Deepa> cpcat?
[23:54:32] <azaghal> Copycay
[23:54:33] <azaghal> &cat
[23:54:35] <azaghal> Argh
[23:54:36] <azaghal> *cat
[23:54:53] <azaghal> Now laugh -.-
[23:55:26] <Deepa> :P
[23:55:58] <Deepa> Also, I don't mind if my website looks like it's from the 90s!
[23:56:19] <azaghal> http://majic.rs/v/serbia/20100122_kalemegdan/
[23:56:34] <azaghal> There's a big difference between 1991 and 1999...
[23:57:09] <Deepa> I'm going for a simple design that looks good :P
[23:57:14] <Deepa> Or well, doesn't look bad