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[00:01:23] * circeavalon poke sueastside "you awake? maybe?"
[00:04:13] * circeavalon pokes Deepa
[00:04:28] <circeavalon> Deepa: don't freak out
[00:04:29] <Easton> mmmm, poke me deeper
[00:05:01] <circeavalon> Easton: that would make my finger dirty and I would have to wash my hand..
[00:05:27] <circeavalon> and get my brain washed
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[00:27:50] <azaghal> Night all ;)
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[00:38:21] <Easton> but you'd like it, so it'd be worth it
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[02:16:10] <circeavalon> Easton: ...true...good point
[02:17:47] <Underthemoon> That was, like, a 2 hour lag.
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[07:23:22] * azaghal hands Deepa a big towel with letters "Don't panic!" on it
[07:23:42] <azaghal> sueastside: I forgot to include bloody copyright letters in the network...
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[09:28:16] <sueastside> brankom: so? just add it
[09:28:40] <brankom> brankom: Yeah, I know. I'll do it when I get back home.
[09:29:00] <sueastside> brankom: i thought the boost docs said calling base serialize functions was a 'not done'
[09:29:27] <brankom> not done/
[09:29:28] <brankom> *?
[09:29:33] <sueastside> brankom: i was exhausted yesterday, teambuilding stuff, i went to bed
[09:29:41] <brankom> Teambulding?
[09:29:47] <brankom> Where are you working at?
[09:29:59] <sueastside> brankom: doing a java course
[09:30:03] <sueastside> i know, ugh
[09:30:28] <brankom> Ah
[09:32:25] <sueastside> in class now, they gave me a laptop
[09:35:52] <brankom> circeavalon: I think your b/f got in some sect, and they put him on some guy's lap...
[09:36:01] <brankom> circeavalon: He might not be a virgin for a long time now...
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[13:10:06] <sueastside> hey PK_
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[13:22:55] <sueastside> hey needle
[13:30:05] <PK_> Hey sueastside
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[13:37:45] <sueastside> GOOD GOD I MADE A JAVA HELLO WORLD THINGIE!!!!
[13:39:54] <thebolt> I am sorry to hear that..
[13:47:00] <PK_> sueastside: wait until you get to j2ee
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[14:23:16] <brankom> PK_: Can't we wish something good for him instead? :/
[14:23:28] <brankom> PK_: I've started committing network stuff as I implement it, btw.
[14:23:37] <brankom> But currently it's at the "Message" thing :)
[14:33:50] <brankom> PK_: Did sueastside send you the sources of the first sample iteration?
[14:41:56] <sueastside> PK_: https://engels.home.majic.rs/public/pt.tar.bz2
[14:42:03] <sueastside> brankom: yes, yes i did :P
[14:43:36] <brankom> :P
[15:21:33] <PK_> brankom: great, I'll have a look at it as soon as I have time.
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[15:31:56] <brankom> PK_: It's going to be reimplemented from bottom, though :)
[15:47:12] <sueastside> brankom: your bottom, ewwww!
[15:47:25] <brankom> sueastside: What? I washed it :P
[15:47:54] <sueastside> its not dirty, its just gross
[15:49:54] <brankom> Go eat a waffle...
[15:53:00] <sueastside> already did
[15:57:46] <brankom> Damn
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[18:00:14] <Deepa> circeavalon: I feel as if I've failed miserably
[18:00:48] <Tucos> awww, poor Deepa
[18:05:18] <Deepa> Though I'm meeting her again this weekend
[18:05:27] <Deepa> So I can't have failed all too much
[18:08:55] <sfb> Stop whinign then and tap that.
[18:09:09] <sfb> http://patentabsurdity.com/
[18:48:34] <circeavalon> Deepa: Why?
[18:49:54] <Deepa> I felt like a failure afterwards
[18:50:18] <Deepa> Though I'm pretty sure she likes me since she suggested that we'd meet this weekend
[18:50:35] * circeavalon pokes sueastside
[18:51:04] <circeavalon> Deepa: then your in the clear, stop worrying about the little things
[18:51:41] <circeavalon> Deepa: she likes you and that is all that matters. The next question is do you like her?
[18:52:04] <Deepa> Either that or she is intimidating
[18:52:09] <circeavalon> I gtg, take babies to school!
[18:52:13] <Deepa> My knees get weak and I can't find anything to say
[18:52:27] <circeavalon> you'll have to decide that on your own my friend
[18:53:11] <Deepa> I think I like her
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[19:02:39] <Moon> What does PT use for DB?
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[19:36:04] <sfb> Moon: Advanced synaptic neural network of interconnected spatial nodes.
[19:36:07] <sfb> Moon: aka Skynet.
[19:36:18] <Moon> Nice
[19:37:06] <sfb> Honestly I'm just a troll I don't know.
[19:37:09] <sfb> Do you like ICP?
[19:37:29] <Deepa> sfb: srsly, we prefer it to be called 'Volunteered network'
[19:37:46] <Deepa> NOBODY has opted out from the implants after they were activated.
[19:38:41] <sfb> hahah
[19:56:46] * sueastside pokes circeavalon with her favorite limb
[19:57:01] <sueastside> Deepa: she either likes you or she believes she can change you
[19:57:11] <sueastside> Deepa: either way you're stuck with ther
[19:57:52] <sueastside> Moon: sqlite and mysql in the future (if thats still alive with oracle having taken over SN)
[19:57:55] <sueastside> *SUN
[20:00:11] <azaghal> yo
[20:00:25] <sueastside> hey azaghal
[20:00:29] <azaghal> sueastside: What, the finger because other parts are unusable?
[20:00:47] <Moon> we are going to use postgreSQL
[20:01:10] <sueastside> azaghal: what other parts and why are they unusable
[20:01:34] <azaghal> Nvm
[20:02:18] * azaghal would give Deepa an advice as well, but doesn't think it'd be a smart one in this situation...
[20:05:09] <azaghal> You know... If I were Spoungebob Squarepants I'd be superciliously happy... Retarded - yes - but happy...
[20:05:28] <sueastside> and a gay sponge
[20:07:12] <azaghal> lol
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[20:38:31] * circeavalon pokes sueastside " What makes you think it's my favorite? I know it's yours."
[20:38:57] <sueastside> circeavalon: what you have others?
[20:39:10] <circeavalon> many in fact
[20:39:28] <azaghal> o.O
[20:39:35] <azaghal> circeavalon: He does _himself_? Ewwww....
[20:39:59] <circeavalon> no moron, he has many limbs that are all interesting
[20:39:59] <sueastside> circeavalon: you whore that isnt on skype!
[20:40:04] Tucos has parted: "http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere."
[20:40:19] <circeavalon> sueastside: shut your face, I'm working on it
[20:40:29] <azaghal> Ewwwww
[20:40:30] <sueastside> circeavalon: work faster!
[20:40:36] <azaghal> Regarding "many limbs" :P
[20:40:39] <azaghal> Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[20:40:44] * azaghal pukes
[20:41:55] <circeavalon> azaghal: so arms and legs have become disgusting? I don't think I want to live anymore! The stupidity is overwhelming!
[20:42:09] <azaghal> Depends on how you bloody use them...
[20:42:32] <circeavalon> azaghal: your mind is just in the gutter like sueastside's is
[20:42:33] <sueastside> bloody...use...them.......EWWWWW
[20:42:41] <azaghal> lol
[20:43:38] * circeavalon clears her throat and eloquently says " vaginal secretions"
[20:44:14] * azaghal wonders why circeavalon clears the throat...
[20:44:20] <azaghal> Ok, I'll stop now :)
[20:44:56] * circeavalon punches azaghal in the face with a wolverine
[20:45:18] <azaghal> Oh, gee.. Not the wolverine... Let me pull out Mr. Spock to defend me...
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[20:45:31] <circeavalon> thats not logical
[20:45:42] <azaghal> lol
[20:56:23] <sfb> Vaginal secretions. God I love you circeavalon
[20:56:53] <sueastside> sfb: uh...no you dont!
[20:58:00] <circeavalon> sfb: good to know
[20:58:03] <sfb> haha
[20:58:18] <sueastside> circeavalon: WHORE
[20:58:33] <circeavalon> sueastside: ya, yours :D
[20:58:53] <sueastside> circeavalon: pff yeah i'm cretainly paying :/
[20:59:20] * azaghal grabs popcorn and waits for circeavalon to rip off sueastside's balls
[20:59:29] * azaghal remembers "Oh, right... You lost those already..."
[20:59:33] <azaghal> *pwned*
[20:59:36] <circeavalon> sueastside: I have yet to see any money changing hands...I'm starting to feel cheap
[21:01:59] <thebolt> hehe
[21:03:16] <sfb> ice burn azaghal
[21:03:17] <sfb> nice.
[21:11:55] <sueastside> azaghal: How many guys can say they have had there balls bitten of by a chick? I'm lucky to have had this unique experience
[21:12:03] <sueastside> *their
[21:12:08] <azaghal> Damn... Had a beer
[21:12:15] <azaghal> Relax or work on PT, I wonder...
[21:12:30] <sueastside> azaghal: thats a no brainer, PT
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[21:23:01] * circeavalon huggles amogorkon/dean
[21:23:24] * amogorkon hugs back :)
[21:23:41] * azaghal would whack the pirate just in case if he was sueastside
[21:24:01] * amogorkon hugs azaghal
[21:24:11] <azaghal> Eww... Stinks of rum...
[21:24:19] <amogorkon> ;p
[21:26:32] <azaghal> sueastside: Still thinking on how to register message types.
[21:26:39] <circeavalon> +
[21:27:34] * azaghal just read the topic
[21:27:45] <azaghal> How about "Find azaghal a g/f"? :P
[21:27:50] <sueastside> azaghal: like Register(const Message& message) { /* %magic% compiler will expand this to magic code that does all the work*/}
[21:28:04] <azaghal> Nope, not that.
[21:28:10] <circeavalon> 10/4?
[21:28:15] <azaghal> 10/4?
[21:28:32] <azaghal> I'm wondering about the coder having to specify integer ID's by hand.
[21:29:05] <circeavalon> azaghal: you don't remember 10 code? useless!
[21:29:38] <azaghal> Heh
[21:29:49] <sueastside> circeavalon: obscure 'american' police codes, yeah sure all us europeans know those!
[21:30:31] <circeavalon> well I have made azaghal aware of them!
[21:31:11] <azaghal> Yeah, you did.
[21:31:21] <circeavalon> that's right bitch!
[21:31:33] <azaghal> sueastside: I.e. the coder will have to make sure both client and server get same codes.
[21:33:32] <sfb> Or
[21:33:45] <sfb> You could use an XML file to identify an integer to message mapping
[21:33:53] <sfb> And at client patch sync that file.
[21:33:54] <circeavalon> you could use fairy magic instead
[21:34:18] <azaghal> sfb: Heheh, that's not the problem. :)
[21:34:26] <azaghal> I'm just wondering about what to use as key.
[21:34:34] <azaghal> Integers are a good choice, of course. Or even char.
[21:34:38] <azaghal> *unsigned char
[21:34:53] <circeavalon> fairy magic
[21:36:20] <circeavalon> !!!!!!!!!
[21:36:47] <sueastside> circeavalon: how many bits is that?
[21:36:48] <sfb> How many messages do you anticipate having?
[21:37:26] <circeavalon> as many as you need, it's like a blank square in scrabble, it can be any letter you need, fairy magic is the same
[21:37:32] <sfb> I mean I don't have a reasonable comparison since CMessage (what is transmitted) is a string.
[21:37:54] <sueastside> circeavalon: unicode letters or not?
[21:38:01] <circeavalon> sure
[21:38:16] <sueastside> 16bit sounds like a waste
[21:38:27] <circeavalon> it's unlimited potential
[21:38:31] <sfb> So we do like: CMessage msgout("MOVE"); msgout.serial(pos.x); msgout.serial(pos.y); msgout.serial(pos.z); /* etc */
[21:39:03] <sfb> However we don't have a CMessage for each game event...
[21:39:03] <azaghal> sfb: Not many, but I'm making a generic framework :)
[21:39:33] <azaghal> So that TR can use it as well.
[21:39:34] <sfb> So Ryzom does that differently than I. THey use an XML file that says the first int in the message says what event type it is
[21:40:06] <azaghal> That's not a problem. But then I'd have each Message child implement something like "GetType" virtual method for identification in XML file.
[21:40:20] <azaghal> Hm...
[21:40:22] <sfb> So you serialize the event ID, use the ID to create a new event class, then use the XML to determine what TYPES to serialize back out (e.g. it'll say event ID 2 has a uint32,uint32,uint32 or xyz)
[21:40:32] <azaghal> Meh, I'll just go for simple integers, we can add conveniance wrappers or something later.
[21:40:40] <sfb> Me I cheapened it up.
[21:41:06] <sfb> I do: CMessage msgout("EVENT"); msgout.serialPolyPtr(event);
[21:42:06] <sfb> And then I receive a CMessage on the server (or client): if(msgin.getType() == "EVENT") { IEvent *event; msgout.serialPolyPtr(event); }
[21:42:28] <sfb> It's all handled by Classable and the ClassFactory and Serialization.
[21:42:43] <sfb> Then as long as your client and server use the same shared library you have no worries.
[21:42:49] <sueastside> night
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[21:45:00] <sfb> azaghal: 1 sec
[21:45:10] <azaghal> SEX?! What?! Where?!
[21:45:12] <azaghal> Oh...
[21:45:13] <azaghal> Sec...
[21:45:31] <sfb> haha
[21:45:36] <sfb> Here's the client XML from Ryzom
[21:46:07] <sfb> http://rider.us/~mattr/msg.xml
[21:46:11] <azaghal> It's not that I don't know how to do it :)
[21:46:14] <sfb> I really don't know if I'm helping.
[21:46:26] <sfb> So you can tell me to bugger off.
[21:46:30] <azaghal> No, no, it's ok.
[21:46:39] <azaghal> I'm just looking for the efficient way that is also the least error-prone.
[21:49:32] <sfb> Which part are you working on. Internal messages or a way to communicate them?
[22:05:12] <azaghal> sfb: Currently on messages, their serialization, and a simple "dispatcher" class.
[22:05:17] <azaghal> No connections even.
[22:14:20] <azaghal> sueastside: We should change address for the files for FSF
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[23:18:34] <Deepa> I need to buy a new MX1000
[23:18:38] <Deepa> Best mouse I've ever bought
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